TDF 2016

[pigman]

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Funny how no one critises performing artists for doing their best work whilst under the influence of body-damaging substances, yet the aided cyclist is sporn of the devil

.... just saying ...

Deception ?

Deception exists cos we've put rules in place (to safeguard our health). If we legitimised against artists using stimulants (I guess we do in the wider sense) and drug tested/asked artists for blood passports, then there is a good chance that they too would enter the world of deception in order to do their best work or shift records.

If an artist gets drug busted at an airport customs, do we stigmatise them and stop buying their music? No. Yet we criticise the likes of Dave Millar.

(Armstrong is a bit different cos his was systematic team doping - often to riders against their will and there was alleged corruption at the highest levels. I'm more thinking of the individual who makes that choice himself)

But like KB sez - this is his TDF thread, so that's my final say on here re drugs

 

[pigman]

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Back to the TDF, I'm bored now.

Cav has gone
Froome will just ride tempo to Paris
Quintana has been taking tips from me on hillclimbing
Yates is the only bit of interest/excitement

If only Porte hadn't punctured when he did

 

[widowmaker]

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Its all gone a bit flat :?

 

[Woz]

Froome and Sagen look the only ones with the legs to make it entertaining.

Neither need to now (Yellow & Green "secured"), but perhaps they won't be able to stop themselves
trying to shake things up? As they say, it's not over till they cross the line.

 

[26er]

Froome and Sagen look the only ones with the legs to make it entertaining.

Damn! Did they have to ban EPO!!!?

 

[The History Man]

Froome and Sagen look the only ones with the legs to make it entertaining.

Damn! Did they have to ban EPO!!!?

It's now called Jeff Lynne's EPO. Get with it baby

 

[kingbling]

Well I think Froome is mechanical doping because his was a MACHINE today paced the stage really well. I kinda wonder if it was in him to match Dumoulin's time at the first check point could he have put 50seconds on him at the finish hmm I wonder.

Quintana may as well go home now I think he has little chance of getting on the podium now.
I expect we will here of his problems after the finish I really expected more from him and I guess everybody else did too such a shame.

 

[26er]

Well I think Froome is mechanical doping because his was a MACHINE today paced the stage really well...

This is really funny. According to Greg Froome's violating physiological laws.



Team Sky marginal gains! What bollocks!

In a final question, LeMond was asked about Chris Froome and his high-cadence attack on the slopes of Mont Ventoux in 2013. The attack sparked huge debate last year because of allegations concerning Froome's data during his ride. His speed, power, cadence and heart rate were matched to video footage of the climb and showed that the Team Sky rider's heart rate only changed minimally when he attacked and dropped his rivals.

At the time LeMond preferred not to make a judgement off of one set of data and called for a longitudinal study of power data combined with the biological passport to measure performance. Froome underwent physiological testing last August and published some of his data.

So far in this year's Tour de France, Froome has not pulled off the same dominant attacks, opting to test his rivals on the descents and in cross winds. He has gained the biggest chunk of his overall lead in the individual time trial.

LeMond expressed doubts about Froome's high-cadence attacking style in the L'Équipe interview.

"He turned his legs at a high speed, but it's not effective and contrary to all physiological laws," LeMond is reported as saying, also dismissing the idea of Team Sky's marginal gains philosophy.

"You can't get a gap on small gears," LeMond argued.

"The great physiologist Frederick Portoleau showed that when Froome accelerates hard, his heart only shows small variations. This is troubling. What bothers me is hearing some technicians say it's science fiction, which is a kind of misinformation. Others make us believe they are ahead of the best scientists, the famous Team Sky marginal gains! What bollocks! There are no new methodologies. That is wrong. In this area too, miracles do not exist."

 

[kingbling]

Like Lemond is ever going to know what physiological laws are or their boundaries he is a bitter man and has been Armstronged too much and maybe has a right to be bitter. Brailsford said as much in his explanation of Marginal gains its not rocket science to improve lots of things by small amounts its more common sense

 

[Mike Muz]

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How is it that someone can accelerate hard without a noticeable gain in heartrate, if that is the case?