does anyone else not get on with modern shifters?
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66 triumph daytona
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I have bikes with thumbies,gripshift and rapifire but in terms of performance they all are eclipsed by my M970 shifter lever set up.Modern rules Im afraid shifterwise 
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STI has been pretty decent since around 1996 but there have been blips. Shimano with their roadie style brake lever shifting and Sram using plastic components that bent inside the cheaper shifters causing a right faff.
Using thumbies in friction mode is only really any good with with old non hyperglide cassettes/ freewheels. The clunk-clunk-clunk-click from the back end would tell you where the chain was.
As riding got faster, shifting needed to get quicker so as the the sprockets narrowed, STI allowed for faster down shifts. 10spd is near instantaneous whereas using a thumbie would have to allow for physical shifting time for that barrel to move round and enable the cable to move.
On my 7spd thumbie equipped bike, shifting takes a good while longer than the 10spd sti. You cant make it any quicker even under prefect cable/shifting conditions simply because the rear mech has to trvel further. Even though its just barely a few bits of a millimetre, it makes all the difference between 'old' and 'modern' shifting.
The good thing is that it pretty much all fits on just about any frame you care to chose so if theres nothing modern that floats your boat, theres pletty washing around that should.
But then theres mud and 10/11 spd cassettes,
thick claggy mud
narrow chains
premature wear
etc etc
Using thumbies in friction mode is only really any good with with old non hyperglide cassettes/ freewheels. The clunk-clunk-clunk-click from the back end would tell you where the chain was.
As riding got faster, shifting needed to get quicker so as the the sprockets narrowed, STI allowed for faster down shifts. 10spd is near instantaneous whereas using a thumbie would have to allow for physical shifting time for that barrel to move round and enable the cable to move.
On my 7spd thumbie equipped bike, shifting takes a good while longer than the 10spd sti. You cant make it any quicker even under prefect cable/shifting conditions simply because the rear mech has to trvel further. Even though its just barely a few bits of a millimetre, it makes all the difference between 'old' and 'modern' shifting.
The good thing is that it pretty much all fits on just about any frame you care to chose so if theres nothing modern that floats your boat, theres pletty washing around that should.
But then theres mud and 10/11 spd cassettes,
thick claggy mud
narrow chains
premature wear
etc etc
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Im with you there LGF,M970 9sp is as modern as I go purely due to the very poor lifespan of 10/11sp consumables.
Im with you there LGF,M970 9sp is as modern as I go purely due to the very poor lifespan of 10/11sp consumables.
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No problems with my modern windowed M770 3x10 shifters. However on the one bike that has old 3x7 Altus rapidfires without window I always forget which gear I'm in. I need a visual clue, otherwise I keep messing up.
That one bike often has to deal with some extreme chainlines. Luckily the old stuff is virtually bulletproof.
That one bike often has to deal with some extreme chainlines. Luckily the old stuff is virtually bulletproof.
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