Daniel Rebour - Illustrator. Who's your favourite cycling illustrator/Cartoonist?

[Canuk]

immediately after WWII i imagine wheelbarrow pushers, farmers, & construction workers were much more in demand.

After WW2, like most countries building new houses and reassembly of busted up houses was the necessity. In France they had to import builders/electricians and plumbers etc from as far afield as Sweden and Scotland. In fact the house that we rent right now (c.1951), the wooden staircase was built by a guy from Glasgow, the electrics a guy from Goteborg and all the internal plumbing and kitchen by a Chinese refugee who escaped the numerous death camps situated around Pamiers and Lavalanet.

If you ever get the chance to visit you'll see people from every nationality represented in the (reconstituted) graveyard: Turks, Americans, Russians, British, Japanese, Chinese etc. The Nazis were not fussy which politicals or races or religions they murdered. It's still a thing very few people 'au coin' are even willing to admit to.

 

[HeikoS69]

I would be interested in your sources of information as I enjoy french stuff very much.

Do you ask me?

 

[Guinessisgoodforyou]

Do you ask me?

I was asking the original poster canuk. If you would like to share I'm certainly interested

 

[HeikoS69]

I was asking the original poster canuk. If you would like to share I'm certainly interested

There are several online available sources:

Raimond Henry 1995:
https://www.rennrad-news.de/forum/threads/der-rebour-thread.147478/post-4113340

David Herlihy 1993, based on an interview with Daniel's brother Rodolphe Rebour:
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1993/pages/18.htm
ditto 1995:

https://flic.kr/p/2kVNZkW

Jean-Pierre Pradères 1996, based on an interview with Rebour's widow Simone Rebour
https://forum.tontonvelo.com/viewtopic.php?p=516649#p516649

Jean Bourdache 2013, focus on Rebour's 1930 - 1950 work for "Moto Revue", where Bourdache had been employed since 1951
http://zhumoriste.over-blog.com/article-daniel-rebour-moto-et-cycliste-119391325.html

Not online is an article in Heine's "Vintage Bicycle Quarterly" by Praderes 20 years ago and an article based on an interview with Daniel himself in a Japanese "New Cycling" magazine article from 1976.

To my knowledge this is the complete secondary literature on Daniel Rebour.

My own sources are also the original "Le Cycle" magazines (I have 486 of 488 and the missing two to as scan copies), "Le Cycliste" magazines (complete from 1930 onwards) and "L'Officiel du Cycle" magazine (first 100 editions from 1975 onwards), original catalogues (Herse and Singer complete, Pitard, Goeland) etc. etc.
I also refer to newspapers and magazines scanned at Gallica BNF, such as "L'Auto", La Pedale" "Cyclo Magazine" and others.

From reading (in the original French) numerous articles about Rebour (and other French illustrators)

I'm really interested in these numerous articles about Rebour. I could not find any other than above mentioned.

Van der Plas' Rebour book is a good one, I have all editions. But it is problematic regarding several facts.

I will not write a book. The days of using books to obtain information are over, at least for the majority of people. Nobody would buy a biography about Rebour. Coffee table books yes, but we already have a good one of those (see above). So my article about Rebour in the current issue of “Bicycle Quarterly” is also accompanied by well over a hundred illustrations and photos (both parts). A coffee table book would probably do it the same way.

If anyone is really interested in certain illustrations in Van der Plas' Rebour book: each drawing is accompanied by the relevant source from “Le Cycle”. With this source reference the reader will be able to find my own “Le Cycle” scan on Flickr, where the original French text for the drawing and the English translation can be found.
If that's not enough, you are welcome to leave a question there, such as “Can you find any more information on this matter in the magazine?” I will answer the question as best I can.

 

[Guinessisgoodforyou]

Thank you very much for your reply
Actual links and proper facts are always welcome. I will post the links and tag you in my French bikes thread.
Thanks again.

 

[Canuk]

I think you're wrong to say 'nobody would buy a biography of Rebour', I certainly prefer reading printed matter and books to anything I have to trawl through on a screen. And I'm definitely not alone in this. There's a trend for printed editions over digital issues. I really couldn't be bothered to read Bicycle Quarterly on a screen. I would definitely be interested in a Rebour biography and you can probably tell from the response to the French Bikes thread there's a demand for it

I too have hundreds of copies of Le Cycle and various other French/Belgian and Italian publications (you can buy them in lots of 100 online here for 40-100 euro depending on condition). If you come to France I can point you in the direction of magazine and journal collectors who have an immense amount of printed matter for bicycles from 1900 to date. There are collectors who have pretty much everything. I'm currently negotiating to buy a stash of 2000 vintage original posters from the 1950/60s most of which would have adorned bike shop walls. A lot of them are signed by the big Tour riders of the day (it was a la mode to have stars come into your shop)

They include Herse/Singer/Barra/Caminargent ect. If you're looking for help on the ground to find contacts/people who were connected to Rebour I'm available at least 6 months of the year. I'm a member of an association which actively promotes vintage advertising and illustrators from all walks.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a biography. Japan and America are still very strong markets for vintage french bicycles and accessories and printed material associated. Rebour is definitely the Renoir of French cycle illustrations and I'm certain his appeal will endure.

 

[Canuk]

There's also Rebours own publication: Cyclotourisme et Compétition par Daniel REBOUR, which can often be found at a very good price here (they ship in Europe, not sure about rest of the world), I recently bought a nice clean copy for 32 euro:

https://www.recyclivre.com/products...me-sportif-par-daniel-rebour?origin=serp_auto

Tontonvelo.com had some really good resources about Rebour but it seems a lot of them are archived. It's still work a gander, though a hard ask if you don't read good French

 

[Canuk]

The Horton Collection also sell quite a few original Rebour drawings that can be had for not much money. Nice Xmas presents!

https://www.hortoncollection.com/ca...rabilia/original-rebour-art/?origin=serp_auto

Personally I'm not a fan of US takes on European Art/Culture or Engineering. They seem to be perennially misunderstand the philosophy and ideology of design here. I'm not a fan of the Jan Heine thing (in any format) and that's something that is shared by almost all the French enthusiasts and collectors I encounter. Tontonvelo forums are also rightfully critical.

My main area of interest is European aerospace history and design. The Wright Brothers might claim the first 'sustained' flight but the Frenchman Clement Alder was there 6 years before in Toulouse with Avion III (first self propelled flight), he was also instrumental in the development of bicycle engineering in the late 19th century. Non European literature on the subject is pretty poor in execution and research.

Hey ho, it's Christmas though! A happy one to one and all

 

[Canuk]

There are several online available sources:

Raimond Henry 1995:
https://www.rennrad-news.de/forum/threads/der-rebour-thread.147478/post-4113340

David Herlihy 1993, based on an interview with Daniel's brother Rodolphe Rebour:
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1993/pages/18.htm
ditto 1995:

https://flic.kr/p/2kVNZkW

Jean-Pierre Pradères 1996, based on an interview with Rebour's widow Simone Rebour
https://forum.tontonvelo.com/viewtopic.php?p=516649#p516649

Jean Bourdache 2013, focus on Rebour's 1930 - 1950 work for "Moto Revue", where Bourdache had been employed since 1951
http://zhumoriste.over-blog.com/article-daniel-rebour-moto-et-cycliste-119391325.html

Not online is an article in Heine's "Vintage Bicycle Quarterly" by Praderes 20 years ago and an article based on an interview with Daniel himself in a Japanese "New Cycling" magazine article from 1976.

To my knowledge this is the complete secondary literature on Daniel Rebour.

My own sources are also the original "Le Cycle" magazines (I have 486 of 488 and the missing two to as scan copies), "Le Cycliste" magazines (complete from 1930 onwards) and "L'Officiel du Cycle" magazine (first 100 editions from 1975 onwards), original catalogues (Herse and Singer complete, Pitard, Goeland) etc. etc.
I also refer to newspapers and magazines scanned at Gallica BNF, such as "L'Auto", La Pedale" "Cyclo Magazine" and others.


I'm really interested in these numerous articles about Rebour. I could not find any other than above mentioned.

Van der Plas' Rebour book is a good one, I have all editions. But it is problematic regarding several facts.

I will not write a book. The days of using books to obtain information are over, at least for the majority of people. Nobody would buy a biography about Rebour. Coffee table books yes, but we already have a good one of those (see above). So my article about Rebour in the current issue of “Bicycle Quarterly” is also accompanied by well over a hundred illustrations and photos (both parts). A coffee table book would probably do it the same way.

If anyone is really interested in certain illustrations in Van der Plas' Rebour book: each drawing is accompanied by the relevant source from “Le Cycle”. With this source reference the reader will be able to find my own “Le Cycle” scan on Flickr, where the original French text for the drawing and the English translation can be found.
If that's not enough, you are welcome to leave a question there, such as “Can you find any more information on this matter in the magazine?” I will answer the question as best I can.

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You don't say whether you read French or not. The links I have wouldn't interest you much if not. Engineering and technical French doesn't translate well with Google etc. I work in Aerospace, the French tend to make it difficult to speak (or read) anything else

 

[Guinessisgoodforyou]

Post the links anyway and let us worry about the french. Let's see what you have.