Top 10 All Time Great Bike Designs

suburbanreuben":w5pc619i said:
Raging_Bulls":w5pc619i said:
IMO Francesco Quinn' early prototypes revolutionized the MTB genre by proving that you didn't need a double diamond frame.

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The Quinn bikes really started that whole era of alternative frame designs.
Without the Quinns (and their offspring, the Sbikes), the Trek Y, C'Dale Raven etc probably wouldn't exist now. Every MTB would still have the same boring layout.
Most of them still do. I wonder why? ;)


That is a alloy Trimble copy
 
Raging_Bulls":1jhe9bqj said:
tintin40":1jhe9bqj said:
That is a alloy Trimble copy

You sure? I'm not entirely sure when the Trimble was first made, but the Quinn would be 1988-ish.

Brent was making late 87 early 88 till 93, then under Dean in 89. Restarted in 2005 till 2007
 
I am seeing some confusion between great design, and evolutionary dead-ends. A lot of these examples are 'men in shed' follies. Looking different is not the basis of great design
 
Some strange suggestions but everyone has an opinion. Mine for what its worth....

Cunningham. For reasons already stated. A revolution rather than an evolution of road/ klunker designs.

Bontrager. Engineering meets craftsmanship. Strong and light and the first real race bike.

Fat Chance circa 1983/4. East coast geometry and generous BB height gave usbikes that worked outside of California for the first time.

Merlin. Taking that Fat ethos and introducing innovative materials.

Kestrel. Composite innovation.

AMP. Full suss that worked and was light enough to race on.

PACE RC100. Many firsts and out of the box thinking.

Outland VPP. Brilliant suspension design that is still in use today.

Santa Cruz Tazmon. Coupled with Marzocchi Bombers pushed riding down very big mountains to a whole new art form.

Raleigh Activator. Such an amazing bike. One out of Ten Retrobike members can't be wrong surely?
 
Original 'Dandy' or 'Hobby Horse' of 1818...

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legrandefromage":1xf47uhi said:
Rover 'safety' bicycle of 1888...

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Apart from people listing their favourite bikes, how far have we really come??

There was considerably more evolution in the first 70 years than there has been in the ensuing 124 :!:
 
These have always fascinated me. A guy who comes into my work rides one and swears by it. I'd love a shot but he's about 6'4" and I'm 5'7" so that won't happen.

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Is there more confusion between Frame Design and Bike Design?

A cyclo-cross is great bike design; but essentially it's just a component and geometry tweak of a traditional double diamond bike; like most early mountain bikes. A low profile TT 80s road rocket with bent sloping top-tube and curved seat-tube and upturned aero bars was considered a very radical bike design; but the fundamental double diamond frame design is easily identifiable again. Does a Cannondale Lefty get a look in? It's visibly different from fundamentals but is it great design?

It's been said that the great thing about bikes is that "it's all been done before" and as noted the recent evolutionary steps are rather conservative; perhaps because the foundation of the safety bike was so bloody good to begin with?
 
yeti-man":2ix8zfyi said:
With all respect, what did we get from Geoff Apps?

I got one of his Cleland bikes and nearly 30 years of enjoyment riding it. However, just how influential Geoff Apps' ideas have been on the development of mainstream mountain bike design is difficult to prove.

Many ideas now commonplace on modern mountain bikes can be found on early Apps' designs. However it cannot usually be proved that others copied his designs or were influenced by them. Maybe these ideas independently realised by others simply because they were good ideas.

One Apps idea that can be linked to today's bikes is that of using big wheels. He used 650b x 2" tyres on most of his bikes from 1979 onwards, and 700c in 1981. About this time he sent the tyres he used to Gary Fisher and Charlie Kelly in the US and Tom Ritchey and other built bikes around these tyres. And their success in the races proved the efficacy of using bigger wheels. However the Russian Army apparently bought up most of these Finnish tyres making the mass production of bikes using these wheel sizes impossible. And so the opportunity for mountain bikes to develop with larger wheels was lost. Until that was, when Gary Fisher, remembering the race successes of these larger wheel bikes, started making mass produced 700c wheeled bikes in 1993.

Like them or loath them, 29ers link back to Apps who he still owns a 700c Cleland that was made in 1981.



GEOFF APPS’ INNOVATION TIMELINE:
1964 - 8: Apps’s first cross-country bicycle designs were based on a Raleigh Explorer frame. The following decade was spent modifying a wide variety of available bicycle components in order to identify and evaluate the best characteristics for off-road use.

1979: Apps finally completes his first 650B ‘Range Rider’ cross-country prototype around a custom-built frame and all new parts. Features included 2-inch wide low-pressure tyres on narrow 650B rims, a steep frame angles, a sloping top tube, Alpine Derailleur gears, skate plate, hub brakes and full-length mudguards. (Compared to the Marin bikes, Apps’s bikes are capable all-weather bikes, intended to cope as far as possible with mud, snow and ice).

1980: Builds his first short-wheelbase 650B ‘Aventura’

1981: Builds his first 700c (29er) ‘Range Rider’

1982: Apps set up Cleland Cycles Ltd, the first European mountain bike maker, to manufacture and market his cross-country cycles. In addition, he set up the ‘Cross-Country Cycling Club’ to promote recreational off-road cycling across the UK.

1984: Cleland Cycles ceased trading due to cash flow problems. Apps also organised the ‘Wendover Bash’ – the first national level Observed Trials event in the UK, which continued annually until 1989.

1985: Builds the ‘Dingbat’ - A 24” wheeled trials-specific model, similar in style to modern Dirt/Jump bikes, fitted with Apps’s twist-grip gear shifter and a 2.5” rear tyre.

1987: Builds the ‘Clelandale’ – an extremely lightweight touring Cleland utilising a ‘Beast of the East’ Cannondale frame and 650A wheels.
1989: Moves to Scotland to concentrate on journalism, and take things a bit steadier.

2006: The bug bites again; Apps builds the ‘Aventura II’, a 700C lightweight machine, taking advantage of the availability of Shimano 8-speed Nexus hub gears and roller brakes.

2009: At last Apps is able, due to the current availability of suitable components, to build the machine he wanted to create in the ‘70’s. The ‘AventuraTT’ features 29” X 2.5” wheels, small strong frame, short-reach handlebars, high centre of gravity, Shimano Nexus 8-speed hub gears, roller brakes, hub dynamo, full-length 70mm mudguards, and all the other Cleland features, which have been refined over the years.

2011: ‘The Monster’ is in construction – a development of the AventuraTT, with 31” X 2.75” tyres.
 
Raging_Bulls":2afujltu said:
ameybrook":2afujltu said:
Remember, both of these bikes were simply copies of other designs with slight changes and Yeti decals on them.

+1

We're talking about bikes that had an impact on the genre. The Yetis are usually just same old same old, abeit with a different bend here and a different diameter there.
Sorry, but even an Activator 2 had a bigger impact (especially if you dropped one :LOL: ).

yeh to show others how not to make them... :D
 
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