your marin dent looks more severe in that it is deeper in a smaller area.,
that kona dent should pull out, this is how I would attempt it. use epoxy glue to attach one or more small bolts.
place a piece of wood along the tube and a strip of steel with one or more holes on top - the wood spreads the load over the tube.
the bolts will line up with the holes in the steel strip, put on a nut and wind out the dent.
the epoxy or paint may give way but you have the bolt attached to a plate.