Pace...where's it all going?

[Anthony]

Well.... Had a go on my pals new Blue Pig today and s'orite. Not much give in the steel but quite like the frame angles. Felt a lot like a full suss without the rear bounce. Would like to try one of those new Pace frames to compare. Still prefered my 5, but that's just me.

Tell me exactly why a 5.6lbs steel frame (Blue Pig) is better than a 4.4lbs steel frame (Cotic Soul)?

I can think of two reasons - either you would break a Soul doing some of the riding you want to do on a Blue Pig (but I'm not talking about jumping it, because I don't think the Blue Pig is specifically for jumping), or alternatively maybe you would find the Soul too flexy for some of the riding you want to do on a Blue Pig. Do people find Souls either too fragile or too flexy?

I don't know what the 853 Pace weighs, so I don't know which of these it resembles more.

 

[rc300]

The pig is in a land of it's own and not a jump bike.The pace is a little more like the cotic in my mind if you want to make a comparison.

 

[brocklanders023]

Well.... Had a go on my pals new Blue Pig today and s'orite. Not much give in the steel but quite like the frame angles. Felt a lot like a full suss without the rear bounce. Would like to try one of those new Pace frames to compare. Still prefered my 5, but that's just me.

Tell me exactly why a 5.6lbs steel frame (Blue Pig) is better than a 4.4lbs steel frame (Cotic Soul)?

I can think of two reasons - either you would break a Soul doing some of the riding you want to do on a Blue Pig (but I'm not talking about jumping it, because I don't think the Blue Pig is specifically for jumping), or alternatively maybe you would find the Soul too flexy for some of the riding you want to do on a Blue Pig. Do people find Souls either too fragile or too flexy?

I don't know what the 853 Pace weighs, so I don't know which of these it resembles more.

Wrong quote Anthony, I don't think the Pig's better then anything! Much prefer a lighter steed myself. :roll:

 

[graham1975]

Unless you have ever ridden a bluepig non of you understand, it totally depends what type of riding you do as to wether you buy a Cotic or a Bluepig, totally diffrent bikes, its like comparing a XC bike against a downhill bike, the weight is far more on a downhill bike although you can downhill on an XC bike its not the same.#Its not really got anything to do with whats better than what, its what suits you the best for the type of ridding you do

 

[Anthony]

Unless you have ever ridden a bluepig non of you understand, it totally depends what type of riding you do as to wether you buy a Cotic or a Bluepig, totally diffrent bikes, its like comparing a XC bike against a downhill bike, the weight is far more on a downhill bike although you can downhill on an XC bike its not the same.#Its not really got anything to do with whats better than what, its what suits you the best for the type of ridding you do

Yes, that was what I was thinking Graham, but am I right that from what you say it isn't that the Cotic would actually break, it's that it would feel too sketchy for your liking, doing that kind of riding, not solid enough?

[Which makes me a Soul man, but all respect if you're a Blue Pig man yourself!]

 

[graham1975]

ANTHONY You are possibly correct i have not had a Cotic so i really cant answer, but no i doubt it would break in half, the ONLY reason i went for the Bluepig is that i live 5 miles away from Ragley woods in calderdale which is were the Ragley is named after, so it kind of ment something to me.
I dont think the bluepig is that stiff at all, there feels to be plenty of flex in it, well there is compared to my 1991 Clockwork and 1995 C16R, but then im comparing old against new, and iv never ridden a Cotic or know of anyone thats got 1 so i really dont know
But i do use the bluepig for what it is intended for and realy would not like to go doing 10ft drop offs on a 3.6LB carbon/steel frame, although i doubt it would not snap, its all about having confidence in your bike when you are doing quite big stuff

 

[Dr S]

I have owned a Soul for 14 months now. I ride it very hard indeed and in that time have broken 2 rear hubs, a rim, several chains, slashed or distorted 5 tyres, 2 bottom brackets, 2 pairs of pedals, gone through 3 forks (the latest, a 2010 Magura Thor lasted one night), as well as various cracked ribs, chipped bones and the likes. I'm the wrong side of 13 stone, ride well beyond my abillity and my local riding spot is a bike and bone breaker. Yet the Soul has proven tobe bombproof and will keep up with anything. It can be built super light and run rigid singlespeed without excessive flex or super burly with 140mm fork and keep up with the 6 and 7 inch alpine bikes down rocky and rooty descents. And after 14 months of abuse it is still perfect, unmarked, unfussed and has never once troubled me.
So tell me this, why would you want anything more burly than that? Why carry another pound and a half around. All that weight is for nothing, it compensates for cheap tubing. Reynolds hardens as it is welded making for much stronger joints- the part where a frame will fail.
Geometry and tube profiles mean nothing when you build a frame out of scafold tube!

 

[graham1975]

I have owned a Soul for 14 months now. I ride it very hard indeed and in that time have broken 2 rear hubs, a rim, several chains, slashed or distorted 5 tyres, 2 bottom brackets, 2 pairs of pedals, gone through 3 forks (the latest, a 2010 Magura Thor lasted one night), as well as various cracked ribs, chipped bones and the likes. I'm the wrong side of 13 stone, ride well beyond my abillity and my local riding spot is a bike and bone breaker. Yet the Soul has proven tobe bombproof and will keep up with anything. It can be built super light and run rigid singlespeed without excessive flex or super burly with 140mm fork and keep up with the 6 and 7 inch alpine bikes down rocky and rooty descents. And after 14 months of abuse it is still perfect, unmarked, unfussed and has never once troubled me.
So tell me this, why would you want anything more burly than that? Why carry another pound and a half around. All that weight is for nothing, it compensates for cheap tubing. Reynolds hardens as it is welded making for much stronger joints- the part where a frame will fail.
Geometry and tube profiles mean nothing when you build a frame out of scafold tube!

But thats like saying you should loose weight and not carry the extra stone or 2 around with you, if i got on my bike and you got on your bike you and your bike would weigh more than me and my bike so what the hell to 1LB, carry a little less in your camelback if your bothered that much

 

[graham1975]

If you asked everyy single person on the forum what there best bike is or would be, you would get a liast with ptrobably every single bike ever made on it, everyone has there own opinion on the best bike, just because you DR S like the Cotic and i like the Bluepig does not mean either of use are wrong or have made the wrong choice, thats the bike i wanted to buy and the Cotic is the bike you wanted to buy, hey ho whats the problem

 

[rc300]