Pace...where's it all going?

[graham1975]

Graham and Russell, why are you turning this into a personal attack??

I'm not waxing lyrical about my Cotic, I'm trying and have been from the start to suggest that it's down to materials- I used Cotic as an example as I have experience of the ride (rather than blathering on about a bike I have never riden), I could have used Fat City and True Temper tubing as an example. Cheap frame = cheap materials , even if it's made in the same factory in Taiwan!

As for the build on my own bike Graham I wouldn't call bolt throu axle Magura forks, Halo SAS rims, kenda 2.5 Nevegals, middleburn cranks, DH bar and stem, 1x9 with bash and chain device a 'light' build. Yet it all still breaks.

So why spend all the extra cash in buying a light frame!?
Fair enough if you like the look of the Cotic throw the extra money at it, but dont go telling me the Ragley is a crap made bike because it isnt, its a true hardcore aggressive hardtail, and it does exactly what it says on the tin, just because the Cotic MAYBE made of a slighty more desirable material doesnt mean it performs better, there is pro,s and cons with everything in life
Probably im thinking like alot of people reading your message about constantly destroying your bike DR S, shouldnt you really be using a full sus if you are causing sooooo much damage?
We are not turning anything into a personnal attack, you like to put everyone right when you can and thats all Russell is doing and im defending what you are calling my crap made bike, because i know damn well it isnt, thats all DR S

 

[ferrit]

So who likes the Pace clown bike then?

 

[brocklanders023]

Well.... getting back to the original topic..... I'd rather have the modern Pace instead of a Cotic OR Ragley so neeeeeer.

 

[JeRkY]

I like cabbages, reckon Graham is more a pak choi sort ?

 

[perry]

It's not what you ride but how you ride it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv7TyakE ... r_embedded

And you should be thankful you live somewhere that can justify such a silly amount of front travel . Try living in lincolnshire where you have to ride rigid to keep it interesting .

I wouldn't buy the pace however , I'd just get a much cheaper kona unit and if anyone started to wax lyrical about it's tubing I'd just ride away

 

[legrandefromage]

retrobike

r e t r o b i k e

yup. Im in the right place, I checked the address and everything


so, why are you discussing a thoroughly modern frame designed for 50 inch travel forks and designed for people who think a cantilever is something to do with Chinese food?

 

[Russell]

Hardly a personal attack, just seemed to me that it was odd that someone so opposed to Richards, his business model and the whole Far Eastern manufacturing thing would then choose to ride a frame that would surely have struggled to make it to market had he not had a hand in getting those first few frames made and hooking the Cotic guys up with his 'sweatshop' connections in Taiwan.

Cy Turner seemed to value Brants input and Taiwan connections highly enough to get him involved, who are you or I to disagree?

Maybe Turner was just another 'arselicker from Singletrackworld' though eh?

 

[Dr S]

Maybe Turner was just another 'arselicker from Singletrackworld' though eh?

maybe you are right, arselickers are everywhere these days. Turner has the same crap aftersales service as On One too- I'm still waiting for a refund on half a decal set I ordered in Feb. Surely not a coincidence? Maybe they are the same person!

 

[Anthony]

FWIW, returning to Gil’s topic of what is Pace up to with these frames.

There is very little information on the Pace website about the not-yet-available but £600ish, made in Taiwan 104, but it seems that:

a. it’s made with the Reynolds 853 ProTeam tubeset. That is the thin-walled variety of 853 basically intended for road bikes, and I personally haven’t been aware of any mtb frames made with ProTeam before now.

b. the head angle of the frame is 69.5 with a 100mm fork sagged 20mm.

What this is telling me is that comparing the Pace with the spectrum between Cotic Soul (light and 100-130mm travel) and Ragley Blue Pig (beefy and 130-150mm travel), the Pace 104 looks to be not in that spectrum at all, but a bit lighter and less travel than the Cotic. So it’s perhaps more oriented to general xc than to singletrack? And indeed, maybe you could say there's a hint of retro in the design philosophy.

I guess I’m with Gil, I don’t quite see how that fits into the market’s established perceptions of Pace. If they went into steel hardtails I would expect them to be in the hard-riding style of their classic frames. But I guess they thought Orange were already occupying that territory with the R8 and the P7, so they’ve gone lightweight instead.

Will they sell though, that’s the only important thing?

 

[ferrit]

Is the ProTeam designed for Roadbikes exclusively? Reynolds dont seem to make any distinction between the two 853 tubesets other that the ProTeam is 0.1mm thinner at the ends of the tube but not in the middle where the size is the same.

The 104 is designated a XC bike so presumably thats why they wanted to use a lighter tubeset. Also getting a lighter frameset on the market than a local competitor would also be an incentive for using the Proteam.

Anyone buying either the Pace RC104 or the Orange R8 and thinking they can do the same things they can do on a hardcore hardtail such as a P7, Prince Albert, would need their bumps feeling and probably wants to think a little harder about exactly what they need when buying their replacement frame.

For me I am going to think very seriously about the Pace 29er as it will sit very nicely alongside my Singular Swift and allow me to run the Swift sans gears whilst building the Pace as a 2x9.

I could go down the route of a Ti 29er but to date I have yet to be convinced of the added benefit of the material given its huge cost over good old steel. The only reasons I can see at the moment are that its a tad lighter, a smidge stronger, looks nice and is fantastic in a willy waving contest.