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Chopper the ex Copper
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You'll meet Kenneth Noye one day. There'll always be a loon out there more willing to use violence than yourself. Why pith them off? I dealt with a job last year, some middle aged bloke did just that. Unfortunately, the guy he pithed off was a 6'5" 22 stone trucker called tiny (what else?), who at the next roundabout put his fist through the window of mateys BMW and into his ear, all in one fluid movement. And while I don't condone King Kongs behaviour, chummy in the Bimmer really brought it upon himself - he was wagging his willy, but it turned out not to be the biggest.pigman":21cjobnq said:
They want to overtake, let 'em. Who are your or I to judge them? Why should we even care? I'd rather get where I'm going than risk a knife in the ribs.
Lets be honest, in most of the examples cited in this thread the motivation is rooted in psychological inadequacy, an atavistic desire to dominate others, to force your will upon them. It's nothing about right or wrong, everything to do with you succumbing to ancient programming in your genes, beating your chest to show the other apes in the tribe that you're the dominant male. Problem is, it really makes the self righteous look an even bigger dick than the offender when they turn out to be wrong.
If all I did all day was try to pith off jerks I'd probably never have time to do owt else. Let 'em get on with it and save lifes precious seconds for something more important.
highlandsflyer
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All due respect, but one day that will work out badly for you.
I have occasionally closed the gap to prevent a car overtaking in order to maintain my safety, but generally it is better to lay back and let them get on with killing themselves.
As far as the OP goes, could it be that they noted you but did not consider you would be outpacing them, and arranged themselves as they normally would for that stretch of road for safety reasons?
silverclaws
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I had a '77 VW camper for ten years when I used to live in Oxford, a daily driver even in winter and the amount of people that took exception to me on the roads taught me as soon as a person comes into contact with a car they turn into instant ass holes.
I have had people drive in front of me and stop then try to attack me in my driving seat all because I was going too slow for them. Now people may appreciate a '77 camper is a pretty old machine and somewhat underpowered having only a WW2 designed 1600 engine powering it, so quick off the mark it was not, it was in first gear but after that a slug but what's the point given town driving when there is a couple of sets of traffic lights down the road or a round about or a stop junction and besides the speed in built up areas is 30 mph, so my trundling speed around town was about 25 mph, but it was too slow for irate drivers that had to be somewhere fast.
The one that pulled in front of me and forced me to stop was even threatening me with a knife through the window, I photographed him weapon in hand but the police did sod all, but driving in that city I learned to be armed, because even calling the police they were too busy and what was the point anyway when self defence and the defence of my wife at the time was the immediate concern.
Oh and the car in front of me it moved when I used the camper's low end pushing power to push it half way down the road sideways with the tosser banging on the side of the van not getting at me. I told the cops what I did, there was no complaint and they were pleased I and my wife were safe but the irate driver, I believe he admitted his foolishness, said he had had a bad day at work and was let off.
But I wonder if it was my vehicle that offended not the way it was being driven which is about normal for most motorcaravans around town and out on the open road as they are not generally quick machines.
And with that I wonder how much it is the mode of transport that get's people's goat rather than the way it is being operated.
I have had people drive in front of me and stop then try to attack me in my driving seat all because I was going too slow for them. Now people may appreciate a '77 camper is a pretty old machine and somewhat underpowered having only a WW2 designed 1600 engine powering it, so quick off the mark it was not, it was in first gear but after that a slug but what's the point given town driving when there is a couple of sets of traffic lights down the road or a round about or a stop junction and besides the speed in built up areas is 30 mph, so my trundling speed around town was about 25 mph, but it was too slow for irate drivers that had to be somewhere fast.
The one that pulled in front of me and forced me to stop was even threatening me with a knife through the window, I photographed him weapon in hand but the police did sod all, but driving in that city I learned to be armed, because even calling the police they were too busy and what was the point anyway when self defence and the defence of my wife at the time was the immediate concern.
Oh and the car in front of me it moved when I used the camper's low end pushing power to push it half way down the road sideways with the tosser banging on the side of the van not getting at me. I told the cops what I did, there was no complaint and they were pleased I and my wife were safe but the irate driver, I believe he admitted his foolishness, said he had had a bad day at work and was let off.
But I wonder if it was my vehicle that offended not the way it was being driven which is about normal for most motorcaravans around town and out on the open road as they are not generally quick machines.
And with that I wonder how much it is the mode of transport that get's people's goat rather than the way it is being operated.
Chopper the ex Copper
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I love it when regular Joes get tooled up, because it's always funny when some smackhead or Phil Mitchell type gangland psycho takes it off them and sticks it up their arse. In over 1/4 century in the military, working as a bodyguard, and in the dibble, I've never encountered a situation where Mr Normal prevailed against a villain by going geared up.
If someone's hopped up enough to try and hurt you they ain't gonna be frightened by the sight of a weapon, and unless you are willing to use it immediately and are skilled in it's use you are almost guaranteed to have it taken off you and used against you. Once the suspect is within 6-8 feet of you then you have insufficient reactionary gap to even make a proper decision re using a weapon, much less actually deploying it.
I mean, you're in a tonne or so of camper van. Keep the doors locked and you're fairly safe, and if things are that hairy just drive away. Why get out to beat your chest? I drive a Peugeot 107 and most of the British public get frustrated stuck behind me in my 1 litre powerhouse of tarmac snarling slowness. Screw 'em, so what? What they really going to do about it if I don't stop and get out to give them the opportunity?
If someone's hopped up enough to try and hurt you they ain't gonna be frightened by the sight of a weapon, and unless you are willing to use it immediately and are skilled in it's use you are almost guaranteed to have it taken off you and used against you. Once the suspect is within 6-8 feet of you then you have insufficient reactionary gap to even make a proper decision re using a weapon, much less actually deploying it.
I mean, you're in a tonne or so of camper van. Keep the doors locked and you're fairly safe, and if things are that hairy just drive away. Why get out to beat your chest? I drive a Peugeot 107 and most of the British public get frustrated stuck behind me in my 1 litre powerhouse of tarmac snarling slowness. Screw 'em, so what? What they really going to do about it if I don't stop and get out to give them the opportunity?
silverclaws
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I have done some weapons training as am also ex military but I do know enough to maintain the advantage and keep inside a locked vehicle that still has the ability to travel. If it were that the idiot is that intent to get at me, he may break toughened glass but that takes time and draws attention and should someone get in, well inside a camper there are plenty of tools to help the situation, included in mine was two and a half litres of BCF goodness to take the oxygen out of an assailant's air when it is discharged in their direction, then out the sliding door and away, by which time it would be hoped the police might have received sufficient calls to have taken an interest, especially so as the incident occurred less than a mile on a straight road from the cop shop. But having pushed the offending car out of the way I drove down to the cop shop and reported the incident.
Oh the reason I did not reverse out of the situation was because myself being stopped by a car angled across the lane in front of me, not only stopped me, but everyone travelling behind me the only way was forward and campers are pretty tough machines with a chassis of sorts and one hell of a C section steel bumper, not as wieldy as say a land rover bumper, but enough to take on cars.
Now I have a clio, any problems, it's dark green, I can go and hide in a bush, but I have been living down here for seven years now and I can quite honestly say the levels of road stress I encountered up that way near London were terrible, down here they may drive fast, but they are not particularly aggressive with it.
Oh the reason I did not reverse out of the situation was because myself being stopped by a car angled across the lane in front of me, not only stopped me, but everyone travelling behind me the only way was forward and campers are pretty tough machines with a chassis of sorts and one hell of a C section steel bumper, not as wieldy as say a land rover bumper, but enough to take on cars.
Now I have a clio, any problems, it's dark green, I can go and hide in a bush, but I have been living down here for seven years now and I can quite honestly say the levels of road stress I encountered up that way near London were terrible, down here they may drive fast, but they are not particularly aggressive with it.
Chopper the ex Copper
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Driving in the US is awesome. Everyone is do afraid of being shot by another driver they tend to drive very defensively. I'm naturally a fairly chilled dude behind the wheel so it was Nirvana.
I couldn't help thinking that they'd all get ulcers from the pent up stress though!
I couldn't help thinking that they'd all get ulcers from the pent up stress though!
I did ninjutsu for a while and our instructor showed us the best defence first[before the very violent stuff ]
Block....Then run like fukc
For those unsure of this art.It isnt a sport and there arent competitions[well not like other arts] It is the art of hurting someone so much that they are incapable of hurting you.this includes multiple assailants,which in that case its the fear of the amount of screaming their friend is doing that keeps them from attacking you en mass.
I eventually left as the other side to the art was becoming a bit extreme ,basically i got sick of being kicked hard in the face
I do everything to avoid confrontation
Block....Then run like fukc
For those unsure of this art.It isnt a sport and there arent competitions[well not like other arts] It is the art of hurting someone so much that they are incapable of hurting you.this includes multiple assailants,which in that case its the fear of the amount of screaming their friend is doing that keeps them from attacking you en mass.
I eventually left as the other side to the art was becoming a bit extreme ,basically i got sick of being kicked hard in the face
I do everything to avoid confrontation
My old man was in the army most of his life and the only bit of fighting advice was to punch someone as hard as you can on the nose. When I asked why he replied "because by the time they stop howling and checking if it broken you're 100 yards down the road"
Though it kind of reminds me of school fights when you get the first punch in, normally on their ear, you have a really sore hand and they have a really sore ear and the fight is a bit of a non event for the waiting crowd.
Though it kind of reminds me of school fights when you get the first punch in, normally on their ear, you have a really sore hand and they have a really sore ear and the fight is a bit of a non event for the waiting crowd.
Chopper the ex Copper
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The FBI did a major study some years back to try and determine the most effective methods to teach their agents.
They analysed something like 14,000 assault incidents reported around the US. Sure, individual instances cropped up where weapons, martial arts skills etc made the difference, but the only factor to give a consistent advantage was muscle mass. That was it, the only factor that gave a statistal advantage.
I'm a 1st Dan in TKD and a large gentkeman, a reformed bodybuilder turned power lifter and I'd just do my best to avoid confrontation in the first place. The best defence is a good distance between you and your aggressor. Looking for trouble just gets you in a coffin.
They analysed something like 14,000 assault incidents reported around the US. Sure, individual instances cropped up where weapons, martial arts skills etc made the difference, but the only factor to give a consistent advantage was muscle mass. That was it, the only factor that gave a statistal advantage.
I'm a 1st Dan in TKD and a large gentkeman, a reformed bodybuilder turned power lifter and I'd just do my best to avoid confrontation in the first place. The best defence is a good distance between you and your aggressor. Looking for trouble just gets you in a coffin.
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