Long term unemployed to be asked to give back something

[FMJ]

I don't agree with the suggestion that significant numbers of people would want to sit about watching tv all day. Would you? Sounds like hell to me. Why would people want to do that when they could be contributing to the common good and gaining respect and the just rewards for doing it?

“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”
Albert Camus

Or alternately, you could just hold your breath.

 

[marin man]

I have just been having a "catch up" on this thread and see that a certain person is still sticking up for the sitting on your backside and freeloading your way through life idea,Why dont you buy your way into one of the many communes that exist :?: ohh I forgot you cant buy anything as work obviously does not agree with you :roll:
and work is how you earn money....bring out the whips I say

 

[silverclaws]

I take it you are referring to myself in your latest comment but why you bother I do not know unless it is your desire to bring scorn upon myself for sticking to what I believe in. One thing you will discover about people those that waver in their beliefs are people that don't really believe in what they say in the first place, with many they say what they are trained to say before they analyse their own words. I do not waver as I do have some experience and hope to communicate some of the reality beyond government spin and media sensationalism.

You comment about an idea I mentioned, that of a community of like minded persons and that I would not go there because I would have to work, well such communities, not all of them are like Findhorn you know, many of them are a hard life to start with, you know, just the day to day existence away from relatively modern living standards, but in a society where idleness gets one literally nowhere as living in a pioneer fashion one has to account for food, water, warmth and shelter before any other additional work for whatever other has to be commenced, perhaps even a harder existence than you know, but back to basics does have a certain appeal to many. But then isn't the basics of existence what it is all about anyway, you know, just living.

As to my personal belief in the work ethic, you know nothing of that, you don't know me, but hasten to say I am here against my better judgement, it wasn't planned, but I was unforftunate enough for life events to catch me, something that can happen to the very best of us so unexpectedly so it is rather foolish to condemn others when no one knows what their personal future holds for them. As they say, what goes around, has a very nasty habit of coming around, if you believe in karma give out what you hope to receive.

But if you haven't got anything to add to the conversation beyond attempted ridicule of participants, that reveals yourself as a kind of troubled individual for your actions are being observed by many and undoubtedly conclusions drawn.

 

[dbmtb]

I think it was more aimed at sgw than you silverclaws.

While I in essence agree with everything sgw is claiming, I have to side with FMJ in that it's a utopian ideal and that no workable alternative has yet been proposed by him (or anyone else throughout history for that matter).
sgws ideologies fail to take into account the fallibility of human nature and our species' predeliction towards self-interest rather than the common good, which will mean that someone unscrupulous will always exploit the good nature of others.

It all boils down to choosing between the lesser of two or more evils, I suppose.

 

[marin man]

I was referring to sgw as he seems to have a ridiculous view point and pushes it onto everybody else :roll:

We know that you have issues and as such are not commenting about you.

 

[FMJ]

sgws ideologies fail to take into account the fallibility of human nature and our species' preference of self-interest rather than the common good, which will mean that someone unscrupulous will always exploit the good nature of others.

There will always be grasshoppers.

Even with silverclaw I only see complaints and no suggestions as to solutions. We're running out of able bodied (willing?) taxpayers over here too, and it's frustrating.

Off to work.

 

[marin man]

I am "work" now,take a leaf out of our book sgw ......

 

[highlandsflyer]

One thing you will discover about people those that waver in their beliefs are people that don't really believe in what they say in the first place, with many they say what they are trained to say before they analyse their own words. I do not waver as I do have some experience and hope to communicate some of the reality beyond government spin and media sensationalism.

Another way of describing people who are able to change their beliefs is adaptable, empathetic.

What is the point of the conversation if you have a fixed position?

Saying your beliefs are not flexible because you have some experience is to say you think your experience and knowledge is greater than those you are talking to.

To suggest you can take knowledge of part of the world around you and apply it, without a large degree of adaption, to the rest of the world is to close your mind. Quite lazy.

One thing I am sure of, and have seen over and over again, is that those who refuse to take on the opposing argument for fear of weakening their own, and those who consider every conversation as their opportunity to educate others rather than themselves, rarely have a positive message to impart.

One other thing I have observed is that the more time you spend amongst an irrelevance of conspiracy theorists, the more you realise most think they are onto something no one else has the intelligence to assimilate.

They are all desperate to educate the ignorant mass, yet their approach alienates.

 

[highlandsflyer]

We know that you have issues and as such are not commenting about you.

We all have 'issues', no need for kid gloves.

 

[marin man]

Ok Highlandsflyer,point taken but I dont want to get told off again.