Mickeyspinn
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Jeez that's rain!!!!
Sounds like a nice breakaway
enjoy....i look forward to the pics!
Sounds like a nice breakaway
enjoy....i look forward to the pics!
Fixing a Victorian
- Thread starter Nabeaquam
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Nabeaquam
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Archimedes rig-a-ma-jig. I didn’t have enough old vinegar from previous projects to cover my frame so I put the Jet Sled (used to bring firewood and groceries to our cabin in winter) on an incline and used buckets of water for displacement. It stays light late now so I noticed this sunset as I was building the Archimedes jig.
Nabeaquam
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I was wrong about the car show date, it’s this weekend instead of now. You get flakey when your closer to 100 years old than 50. I should just round up. So, since I have free time I started soaking the frame in vinegar. The paint is very flakey after soaking and comes off surprisingly easy with a brass brush. For two days I have brushed it. The crazy Manufacturing continues with the seat and chain stays made the same way as the fork, tightly brazed, intricate joints. So far I have found no brazed joints in the larger tubing. More archeology.
Mickeyspinn
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This just gets better and better! I so want to know more about this tubing....so main tubes are seam welded....I noticed that the dimples stop before being to close to the weld which I guess is kinda sensible!
I wonder if the stays and fork tubes were sheet material bought in and then jointed by the frame builder ? Huge amount of work to cut that so neatly! Or was it guillotined by the tubing company? So many questions
I wonder if the stays and fork tubes were sheet material bought in and then jointed by the frame builder ? Huge amount of work to cut that so neatly! Or was it guillotined by the tubing company? So many questions
Nabeaquam
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How in the world did they do it so neatly with furnace brazing? Did they dip the tubes in molten brass, shake off the excess and then polish off the remaining excess? How, how, how?This just gets better and better! I so want to know more about this tubing....so main tubes are seam welded....I noticed that the dimples stop before being to close to the weld which I guess is kinda sensible!
I wonder if the stays and fork tubes were sheet material bought in and then jointed by the frame builder ? Huge amount of work to cut that so neatly! Or was it guillotined by the tubing company? So many questions
Mickeyspinn
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Arrgggh! So many questions! I think this is probably where the $100 dollar price tag actually became really good value!
Part of me wants to think that in some dirty old workshop someone hand filed that stitch joint to precision perfection......but....no they must of had a process/machine just for it.
If they did it wasn't going to be a cheap set up.....which swings me back to.....there must be another application for this tubing other than bikes!!??
Dont suppose you'd just cut one of those tubes in half so we can all take a look inside?
Mickeyspinn
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I know it wouldn't be correct when you repaint....but I'm imagining that joint polished and lacquered ....instead of traditional gold box lining details! Show the world it's awesomeness
I'm probably going to sound a right plonker and metal worker bumbling novice.
What makes you think it wasn't done with a blow torch? Surely for low volume products like a bike of this stature it was the way to go? Then finish by hand.
By this time too, wouldn't there be more and more metal constructions, would there not have been a considerable work force of experienced welders? For example joining steel beams at height and what not. Perhaps I'm talking crap. I haven't even had a drink yet either.
I look at the L shaped seat-post on my Dion Bouton and I'm amazed how it's joined and capped with no trace of welds. Also the front end of the frame is lugless. Some reading here may be worth while. https://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/classic_builders/welded-lugless-frames/
What makes you think it wasn't done with a blow torch? Surely for low volume products like a bike of this stature it was the way to go? Then finish by hand.
By this time too, wouldn't there be more and more metal constructions, would there not have been a considerable work force of experienced welders? For example joining steel beams at height and what not. Perhaps I'm talking crap. I haven't even had a drink yet either.
I look at the L shaped seat-post on my Dion Bouton and I'm amazed how it's joined and capped with no trace of welds. Also the front end of the frame is lugless. Some reading here may be worth while. https://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/classic_builders/welded-lugless-frames/
Mickeyspinn
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I think woz we're all bumbling novices when presented with the wizadry of Nabeaquams bike!
It's from another century but almost like from another planet! Well to me it is
I can see it being brazed by a wizard yep... doable.....it's cutting that join.....I just can't my head round the neatness and consistency of it by hand! But to tool up a machine to cut that in steel would be so expensive I just can't see the cost effectiveness for such low volume! If it was cut by a machine they're would definitely have to be other applications for that kind of tubing...
Nabeaquam.....is the joint stitch on the forks a straight line or does it follow the curvature of the fork?
