X-ray for Carbon Bikes

makster":3a6srwew said:
Xesh":3a6srwew said:
makster":3a6srwew said:
I've just befriended a 25 year old radiologist and I am always checking her crack :LOL:

I'd take her back under warranty then if I were you. :LOL: :LOL: ;)

Only got her on loan anyway :( Still, always good for the ego to be 'dating'someone 10 years your junior (unless your under 28, then its just sick!) :LOL:

or just lucky !!
 
Take it on a plane for a cheap flight,airport security Xray as standard to check for drugs and things hidden in the tubes
They might let you watch :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
 
Unless it was repaired by someone who works with composites day in day out and knows everything about the fibre and more importantly resins used to make it, bin it...

You can't just wrap it in carbon and hope the epoxy doesn't melt the old stuff. It needs to be re-bagged or moulded and autoclaved. Unless it's just some crap crack somewhere none structural. (not that there's anywhere none structural on a carbon frame).

It's asking for trouble
 
I've seen an OCLV where a surface scratch on the top tube had started to fray - this was cleaned up and "repaired/covered" with a big blob of aralidite and then sanded down a little to make it smooth.

It saw many years of use like this before I lost contact with the owner.
 
sq225917":q5mhn7hz said:
Unless it was repaired by someone who works with composites day in day out and knows everything about the fibre and more importantly resins used to make it, bin it...

You can't just wrap it in carbon and hope the epoxy doesn't melt the old stuff. It needs to be re-bagged or moulded and autoclaved. Unless it's just some crap crack somewhere none structural. (not that there's anywhere none structural on a carbon frame).

It's asking for trouble
Yup, pretty much on the money. Yes a super-thick waller can cope with some strength loss or damage as its 'over strength', but certainly just 'filling and sanding' some araldite won't do much.

Ditto the x-ray comments too. . doubt you'll see anything. . .

This is part of the problem with composites, and why the aero companies will go to such lengths on some projects as embedded strain gauges, or 'fuse' wires within structures, to try and monitor whats going on, but the reliability of these methods isn't great.

I work in aero, and composite damage investigation is subject to a lot of research. . . MRI and dye pen will work in some instances, but you have to know how to interpret the result, particularly if the layup is odd.

On the plus side, composite delaminations are inherantly self blunting from a crack propogation perspective, but taht said I ave no knowledge of what the problem is.

Carbon frame with known dameg, probably best as a garage queen. . . ;)
 
Just spoke to the boss of a company called Oceaneering, who do all our NDT and radiography on the refinery where I work.

They say that there is no reason why bombing carbon fibre shouldnt show any defects. We dont have a lot of carbon fibre on site, but we have carbon wrapped thin pipelines and then bombed them to check for cracking at a later date, all with great success.

He even said if I buy him a pint, he will get the frame bombed at their shop in Immingham......
 
Thanks for all the replies folks.....

PeeBeds - Sounds interesting. Not sure what "Bombing" is exactly though, and whether to bother you by sending the frame down so that the procedure can be carried out.....? :)

Nick & sq225917 - I appreciate your advice. This bike will probably be more of a garage queen than anything else, but it would be nice to take it for a spin occasionally. I'm sure it will hold up to that (whatever "that" is... :LOL: ). As mentioned, the seller seems to think that the frame is structurally sound, and i believe he is a MTBR member, if my research is correct, so i'd like to think he knows at least a little about bikes. Hopefully the damage was superficial only, but even then i'm not sure if "only superficial" really makes a difference.....if its damaged at all, maybe it's for the heap, as it were....

IbocProSX - I see what you mean re: X-ray not showing up a crack if the 2 surfaces are in close proximation..... I work as an osteopath, and ur right about X-rays picking up differences in density....

To Makster et al. - :LOL: :roll:
 
Drewson":2o4mfxos said:
Thanks for all the replies folks.....

PeeBeds - Sounds interesting. Not sure what "Bombing" is exactly though, and whether to bother you by sending the frame down so that the procedure can be carried out.....? :)

My bad, bombing is the slang for radiography. Basically, when doing it on site, they set up an exclusion zone, set up the shot, then reveal the source etc to do the shot. They also have a workshop locally where they can do radiography.

If your really interested, and dont mind paying the postage, send me a PM and I'll see what I can sort out. :)
 
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