Those ****** at VAG!

[legrandefromage]

I'm sure BMW must be up to something - for years their cars have always been a little better than everyone else. With even their 118d out performing (on paper) everything else on the planet. BMW are like that bloke down the pub thats always gone one better than you.

I didnt hear it properly but I think I heard that the fakery of those 11 million cars outputting 10 (?) years worth of UK carbon emissions making the whole carbon thing utterly pointless.

R4 last night had found that emissions had plateaued in UK cities and could not directly explain why until now. I remember another R4 documentary that showed 2012/13 models to be more polluting with N0x than many cars much older.

I'm looking at my trusty not rusty 1998 W210 300TD with new eyes and I think I will go back to an older 190E or W124 220 16v petrols...

 

[mattr]

IIRC BMW got done for homologating cars you couldn't actually buy.

 

[captaincosmic]

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Outperforming how ?
I have a 118d which I bought to replace a 353d when fuel prices went crazy.
I thrash it everywhere and get mid 40's mpg
Emissions are low but it has a particulate filter which most other manufacturers don't.
I followed a newish Mondeo yesterday on the motorway and every time he tried to accelerate away he disappeared in a cloud of thick black smoke. It made me look in my mirror to see if I was as bad but there was nothing despite mine now having done 205,000 miles.
That's the sort of thing that needs looking at Dirty Fords and French shopping hatches.

 

[legrandefromage]

Fiat have had dpf since around 2005/6. I know from painful experience and have a little story to tell...

Once upon a time there were two Doblos. One was an old creaky friendly chap who carried our stuff for years happily plodding along achieving up to and beyond 70mpg (according to the on board display anyway). But he got a bit too old an creaky and at 200,000 miles we decided to buy a slightly younger model. On paper the new youngun looked good, 120bhp multijet engine, all good...

Until we drove it. Old doblo was turning over at around 1800 rpm at 65mph getting 65+mpg

New doblo sat at 3000 rpm at 65mph - we could never get more than 51mpg at absolute best.

reason? DPF. Higher revs so the DPF didnt block except that nobody told the egr which promptly blocked causing all manner of comedy errors and potentially dangerous breakdown. So to clear the dpf the engine runs at higher revs using more fuel...

Gaaaaagghhhh!!!

 

[mattr]

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Emissions are low but it has a particulate filter which most other manufacturers don't.

:? PSA have had them in some models for ~15 years.
Pretty much every new model in Europe has had them in for 7 or 8 years (since Euro V emissions was rolled out) there are a few exceptions, but not many.

I followed a newish Mondeo yesterday on the motorway and every time he tried to accelerate away he disappeared in a cloud of thick black smoke.

Was probably in a regeneration cycle, or fucked. Or not as new as you thought.

Outperforming how ?

If you compare BMWs quoted power and torque figures with their quoted emissions and fuel consumption figures they are pretty much off the chart, if you include everyone else in the business. It's only recently, with massively complex cutting edge performance engines, that anyone else is getting close. It doesn't add up.

 

[legrandefromage]

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Outperforming how ?
I have a 118d which I bought to replace a 353d when fuel prices went crazy.
I thrash it everywhere and get mid 40's mpg
Emissions are low but it has a particulate filter which most other manufacturers don't.
I followed a newish Mondeo yesterday on the motorway and every time he tried to accelerate away he disappeared in a cloud of thick black smoke. It made me look in my mirror to see if I was as bad but there was nothing despite mine now having done 205,000 miles.
That's the sort of thing that needs looking at Dirty Fords and French shopping hatches.

Lower carbon/ higher mpg/ bhp when compared on paper to other vehicles in its class.

The Mondeo 2.0 tcdi likes to swallow its own fuel pump seals. 2.2 is PSA sourced and has another bunch of issues. I see a lot of the black soot overfuelers out there. Allegedly its after chipping the ecu.

 

[mattr]

Fiat have had dpf since around 2005/6. I know from painful experience and have a little story to tell...

You only had to live with the DPF, I have had to deal with the design, development, warranty and customer complaints.

You merely dislike them slightly compared to how I feel about them.

 

[legrandefromage]

Fiat have had dpf since around 2005/6. I know from painful experience and have a little story to tell...

You only had to live with the DPF, I have had to deal with the design, development, warranty and customer complaints.

You merely dislike them slightly compared to how I feel about them.

It stranded my missus on the A14/M1 interchange with no hard shoulder. I will happily set fire to the car right now just to prove a point

The AA couldnt fix it 'dpfs blocked', AA commissioned mechanic couldnt fix it 'DPF's blocked'

Got the car home. Did a bit of google bullshit sifting and blocked the egr (something the AA did to old doblo years ago). Got the car running. Local beer powered diagnostics showed DPF at 17% full.

Car has run fine ever since with just the engine management light on for the egr (which I'll replace when we sell it). We dont use it at all now and am just waiting to pay it off (staff discount purchase)

 

[captaincosmic]

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Given the incestuous nature of low end manufacturers and VW`s badge engineering ,like British Leyland in the seventies. This will surely involve Skoda Seat and Audi with their use of the same engine in different stages of tuning.
Would VW manufacture its own electronics or buy them in from an outside supplier ? If bought in then surely other manufacturers could be guilty of the same thing ?
The Americans love to bash foreign companies but dont treat their own with the same moral code....Bopal disaster

 

[mattr]

The electronics/ECU are almost all bought in. With the processors/chips/memory/power regulation of the device being off the shelf.
Connectors, circuit boards, cases can vary from completely bespoke, to completely off the shelf.

The important stuff (the code) is unique to each powerpack/manufacturer. So Ford diesels might use the same ECU as VW do in their diesels, just in a different case, but huge amounts of the code is completely different.