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Quite topical at the moment, isn't that what they were asking Saddam to do, prove a negative :roll:
Tony in the chair today.
Silly Police - Fine for blowing nose (Case now dropped)
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Quite topical at the moment, isn't that what they were asking Saddam to do, prove a negative :roll:
Tony in the chair today.
Not that I don't see your point, but like the press, and government, we get the police that we largely deserve.legrandefromage":2ik6959i said:
The 80s and Thatcher's Britain caused us (well really more those in power) to look at everything as a business - so things that were traditionally services, then became judged or ran like commercial companies.
Now there's some argument that business acumen and procedures may have a place, but all of a sudden, when things that were services, become run like businesses, all of a sudden those things that were done more to benefit society as a whole become of trivial importance, and those things that can be easily measure and be seen to be done become ever-so-important.
This didn't happen overnight, and by-and-large the voting populace acquiesced to it going on, because they were presented with persuasive arguments as to how such services should be modernised.
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Not that I don't see your point, but like the press, and government, we get the police that we largely deserve.
The 80s and Thatcher's Britain caused us (well really more those in power) to look at everything as a business - so things that were traditionally services, then became judged or ran like commercial companies.
Now there's some argument that business acumen and procedures may have a place, but all of a sudden, when things that were services, become run like businesses, all of a sudden those things that were done more to benefit society as a whole become of trivial importance, and those things that can be easily measure and be seen to be done become ever-so-important.
This didn't happen overnight, and by-and-large the voting populace acquiesced to it going on, because they were presented with persuasive arguments as to how such services should be modernised.[/quote]
I would agree in the main with your sentiments in respect of the service/business observation.
The Police also if you think about it have been stripped of a lot of responsibility with a lot of civilian jobs replacing officers, Hato patrolling motorways, PCSO's Vosa etc.
Heres a thought playing devils advocate a little, The Miners Strike in 1984 the police were accused of this that and the other.
Their accusers who at the time where union people are now MP's
Has some of the slide been about political retribution and removal of teeth ?
Home Secretary ultimately a politician etc.
Channa
Not that I don't see your point, but like the press, and government, we get the police that we largely deserve.
The 80s and Thatcher's Britain caused us (well really more those in power) to look at everything as a business - so things that were traditionally services, then became judged or ran like commercial companies.
Now there's some argument that business acumen and procedures may have a place, but all of a sudden, when things that were services, become run like businesses, all of a sudden those things that were done more to benefit society as a whole become of trivial importance, and those things that can be easily measure and be seen to be done become ever-so-important.
This didn't happen overnight, and by-and-large the voting populace acquiesced to it going on, because they were presented with persuasive arguments as to how such services should be modernised.[/quote]
I would agree in the main with your sentiments in respect of the service/business observation.
The Police also if you think about it have been stripped of a lot of responsibility with a lot of civilian jobs replacing officers, Hato patrolling motorways, PCSO's Vosa etc.
Heres a thought playing devils advocate a little, The Miners Strike in 1984 the police were accused of this that and the other.
Their accusers who at the time where union people are now MP's
Has some of the slide been about political retribution and removal of teeth ?
Home Secretary ultimately a politician etc.
Channa
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politics and the real world are two entirely different places. People who express an interest in becoming an MP should be taken away and shot, never to see the light of day again.
I dont vote any more because even at a local level, 'our' councillors are in it for themselves. The recent MP expenses story showed up most for what they are.
The police are controlled by these people and tied up in paper work and points scoring which cause us, the 'normal' populace, to react badly when sneezing in front of a copper....
I dont vote any more because even at a local level, 'our' councillors are in it for themselves. The recent MP expenses story showed up most for what they are.
The police are controlled by these people and tied up in paper work and points scoring which cause us, the 'normal' populace, to react badly when sneezing in front of a copper....
I think a lot of this came about in many of the "service" industries before Labour got back into power.channa":2qdofqgp said:
Outsourcing, contracting out, PFI... etc
That said, I'm not suggesting any political party has any moral highground over this - much has been done since 97.
I'm just not sure I buy that it was to remove the teeth from an already slayed dragon.
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legrandefromage":2le845al said:
Not voting is not the answer, as there is no box for "none of the above" there needs to be some other form of protest, such as spoiling your paper by writing "none of the above" all across it.
I was an elected Town Councillor by the way, not sure why I did it, but I was one of the youngest ever. As a town councillor you get nothing, not even expenses. It is all voluntary, yes there are busy bodies on the council too but i would say nearly 50% of the ones on our town council were genuinely there to help improve the community. We gave up our own time for meeting, voting, reading letters, going out in the community, campaigning for this and that for the town, and we didn't expect a penny even if we were due anything.
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it almost seems that you are invited to break the law.
^ yes , if I've had a few too many and want to sleep in the car I'm going to get a fine , so I might as well drive and get a fine 
so it's get a fine and have a crap night sleep or get a fine and get home to bed ; I'd walk but I'm far too drunk
It's easy to complain but who's going to actually do anything about it ?
so it's get a fine and have a crap night sleep or get a fine and get home to bed ; I'd walk but I'm far too drunk It's easy to complain but who's going to actually do anything about it ?
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