Scottish IndepenDENce YES or NO?

[technodup]

Re: Scottish Indepence YES or NO?

The Yes lot talk like it's all good, England's our biggest market, we'll stay pals bla bla. Whereas I can see English investment, trade and tourism falling off a cliff due to uncertainty, inconsistency and nastiness. Rather than England's biggest partner we'll be their biggest competitor for investment, and who in their right mind would invest in a tinpot socialist fantasy above England?

Don't get me wrong I can understand those with **** all to protect taking a chance, but anyone with a job, house, mortgage, pension, investments, business or children voting yes should be sectioned imo.

 

[highlandsflyer]

Re: Scottish Indepence YES or NO?

The NO campaign's biggest donor has spent her adult life writing fairy stories, and now thinks she has sufficient grip on reality to use her fortune to press her political will. Talk about Vanity Press!

 

[Polco]

Re: Scottish Indepence YES or NO?

I find it such a shame that there seems to be so much opinions formed south of the border based on what is read in the press. Whether you are an SNP supporter or not, Alex Salmond has been a very capable MP and MSP since the 80s, he is well respected in his constituency (hich is why they keep voting for him), hardly the ogre that the press would like to portray. Yet I hear constantly that it's Salmond Vs the rest, yet in Scotland, at least my little part where I stay the yes supporters are about so much more than breaking away. What they desire is a break away not from the English, but a break from Conservative governments and the alternative of a Labour party so far removed from their origins you may as well call them Tories with a red tie for all the difference they make. The No campaign has not done itself any favours at all by being aligned to all that is hated in Scotland, not the English by any means, but the Camerons and Osbourne's who represent the upper class elite and all that it stands for.

 

[FluffyChicken]

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On more pressing matters, if you vote Yes you'll make the guvnor/John grumpy as he'll have to move the MacRetro rides section from the UK into the Worldwide section.

Vote No, vote for a happy Forum Admin.

 

[technodup]

Re: Scottish Indepence YES or NO?

but a break from Conservative governments

Which nobody has had for nearly 20 years. And I can't be arsed finding the stat but Scotland has voted Labour most of the time and got Labour most of the time. Democracy isn't about getting what you want all the time, it's about getting a say.

I've voted in every Scottish election and I haven't got the government I wanted yet, and I'm not likely to. Can I get independence for my area? My house? It's bollocks anti-English bile disguised as 'Tories', 'Westminster' etc and the muppets fall for it.

Be careful what you wish for. In a Scottish Parliament coalitions are more likely, so it's not impossible that with their usual 18-20% of the vote the Tories could one day be part of a Scottish government. I know that would confound the proles but it would have a certain irony, given the lies we're being told about guaranteeing getting rid of the Tories.

 

[Polco]

Re: Scottish Indepence YES or NO?

Fairly sure with the help of Libdems we have a Conservative government just now, I'm also pretty sure you are aware of this and chose to hide behind the fact that the libdems are puppets at Westminster. 13 Years of labour in the past 35 years also does not make 'most of the time' as you say, but if independence were to come about the parties would be devoid of having to be in line to UK policy and form their own identities, and policies specific to Scotland, which is the appeal of yes. I seem to think you are a No voter, don't know what makes me think that, but if you want to talk about lies should we start with the front page of the Sun with Clegg, Cameron and Milliband, were they not lying given they can't guarantee anything without backbench support, which would appear to be lacking from what one Tory backbencher publicly stated yesterday....

 

[gmac123]

Re: Scottish Indepence YES or NO?

not feeling the anti-english thing, not feeling the split society thing, don't know anyone that has fallen out with friends, family, colleagues etc - but then I'm not the small minority of people that go out crusading to rallys or up their high street for their No or YES beliefs

think the yes campaign have done amazing, especially when they can't define much of what an independent scotland to the voters and the absolute p!sh voters have had to listen from non-objective journalism hadn't been in play.

it would have been a fairer referendum on the people that have to decide

A) if some pre-negotiation defined currency, debt, assests etc
B) the majority required to pass was raised

i do hope that ruth davidson never has a position of any consequence

 

[technodup]

Re: Scottish Indepence YES or NO?

Fairly sure with the help of Libdems we have a Conservative government just now, I'm also pretty sure you are aware of this and chose to hide behind the fact that the libdems are puppets at Westminster.

Like I said it's a coalition government, not a Conservative one. What you think doesn't matter.

13 Years of labour in the past 35 years also does not make 'most of the time' as you say,

Not if you selectively pick the year you want to make the point from. Since the war Scotland has had more of it's choice than not. This is widely reported on many news sites, blogs etc if you want to see it. I can't be arsed looking for it as you'll find some way to dispute it regardless of the facts in front of you.

I couldn't care less what Cameron and Milliband said. I don't want extra 'powers'. We've had tax varying powers since devolution and nobody has used them, in Salmond's case to make out he needs more when he's already got more than he uses. All politicians lie through their teeth, my point is Salmond is lying and expecting us to believe in his utopia, the other lot we know what they're like. Better the devil you know.

And of course I am a NO voter. I have a functioning brain in my head. I work, I am not dependent on the state, I am not a moron.

Vote No.

 

[highlandsflyer]

Re: Scottish Indepence YES or NO?

Suggesting people who wish to vote either way are mentally ill or morons is hardly a respectful way to debate.

Let's try to keep it nice so we can all chip in with our feelings on what is a very topical issue involving a lot of the members here directly, at least until the results trickle in.

 

[kenaltobelli]

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1 if you vote bnp all the time ;you dont get the goverment you want'
2 you cant have independence and keep the pound;;
why ? the bank of England sets the rate;so your gov has to keep its spending to
what they decide.
it does not work in the euro.
AS says you can be like panama they have the dollar but thats set by the us bank
3 the euro you wont be able to join ; we think spain will put the boot in, for reasons we all know.


do we know any facts to do with this at all :?: