Scottish IndepenDENce YES or NO?

[grumpycommuter]

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At least I'll always have oat cakes then...

My wife makes beautiful shortbread, any tips for a more 'kosher' product? Apart from the aforementioned Scottish ingredients

 

[GrahamJohnWallace]

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"I can only think of Independence in the long game. Left to our own devices i know that Scotland will grow strong and rich and without the horrific legacy of the English empire.
It will be difficult of that we all are aware and will cope even if that takes years. But we WILL cope ."

Personally, I would love Scotland to show the world that a country can be run for the benefit of all its people, not just the wealthy and powerful.

Could this be achieved by the the determination and long-term staying power of proud Scots?

Conceivably, yes!

But not if proposed SNP policies frighten off international investors and business.

 

[suburbanreuben]

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At least I'll always have oat cakes then...

My wife makes beautiful shortbread, any tips for a more 'kosher' product? Apart from the aforementioned Scottish ingredients

Never mind being pukka; anything made, should butter be called for, with Jersey butter, is better.

 

[ajm]

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Dyna - Which "horrific" legacies of the British Empire are you talking about specifically? I think you'll find that of all the British who spread themselves throughout the world (and not always with bad consequences for either themselves or the nations they settled in), the Scots were probably over-represented.

Partly because Scotland was a poverty-stricken mess and partly because the Scottish toffs cared largely only about themselves and forced the poor out.

The real reason for so many Scottish greats over the past few hundred years is that thanks to the extent of the Protestant Reformation here we were the most educated nation in Europe (prince and ploughboy alike), while the bulk of the rest of the European population were kept conveniently illiterate and ignorant.

This is of course an unpopular truth these days and generally ignored or whitewashed out, but the fact is that these days are long gone; the rest of Europe is at least as well (if not better) educated and there is nothing at all special or superior about us Scots as a race. Nothing much worse either (other than a slightly higher tendency to addiction than some perhaps we're just ordinary humans no matter what the misty-eyed Nationalists might say. The modern day slums of Glasgow are not going to be suddenly full of Jaguar driving entrepreneurs in an independent Scotland - it's not the English or the Welsh holding them back...

 

[Bats]

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Dyna - Which "horrific" legacies of the British Empire are you talking about specifically?

Generally all the plundering and pillaging, and the habit of "civilizing" entire cultures away by telling them all about how what they really need is Jesus, names like "Nelson", and to be quiet and do what they're told.

But we gave them railroads so that makes it all okay, right?

Frankly, I can see why so many Scottish want to get away from that whole "British" identity. Just English gits and Scottish quislings doing horrible things for centuries.

 

[grumpycommuter]

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At least I'll always have oat cakes then...

My wife makes beautiful shortbread, any tips for a more 'kosher' product? Apart from the aforementioned Scottish ingredients

Never mind being pukka; anything made, should butter be called for, with Jersey butter, is better.

I'm sure it must be possible to put a better bit of butter on your knife...

 

[FluffyChicken]

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Surly a lot of those Scottish *inventions* where British inventions, helped out a lot by being part of Britain and little to do with actually being born in Scotland.
It's like saying Yorkshire folk did some stuff .... After all were about the same population as Scotland.

How long before the far north of Scotland become disinterested with the southern Scottish belt taking all their money?

It'll just be the same old crap going round in ever decreasing circles

What a load of bollocks.

Feck what happened many moons ago, long gone history and get on with what you have now. We know London screws the rest of the country but we just get on with it, anything else is just as crap ;-)
After all there or more of them Londoners that is Yorkshire or the Scottish for that matter so of course they have a democratic majority.

(P.s. Any room for us north England lot to come join you if you split off ... )

 

[rosstheboss]

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Who else is starting to find the whole thing irritating? (complaints to the usual address)

Yes, with all the live coverage and associated bollocks I thought it was last friday!

I can't help but think as the make your mind up time approaches there will be a massive swing to No.
Reality bites!

This!

 

[gerryattrick]

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Left to our own devices i know that Scotland will grow strong and rich and without the horrific legacy of the English empire.

And there I was thinking it was the British Empire. Scottish politicians never agreed with ruling other countries, Scottish soldiers never fought in those countries, Scottish diplomats never ran those countries, Scottish businessmen never made any money exploiting the colonies.

I have no issue against Scottish independence but Scots have been part of the UK and its decision-making for 300 years, including having a fair number of Prime Ministers, and cannot now conveniently absolve themselves of all responsibility for the current state of their country and act as if it was all the fault of the "English". Not that you mean the English of course.

 

[1210tech]

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Heh!