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I have a vango canister operated ground level one going spare as I went titanium last year.
I have a vango canister operated ground level one going spare as I went titanium last year.
Retrobike Touring.
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A few questions for those that have used stoves such as the Trangia liquid fuel stoves.
How long does the fuel last?
Meths: a large 0.5l Sigg will do 3-4 days, depending on how much long cooking like pasta you do. Using white gasoline in a pressurised liquid stove (e.g. MSR Whisperlite / Coleman) it's more than a week.
Can it be stored in something like a Sigg bottle ?
It's perfect for the job. They make a special fuel version with a different seal. MSR do them too.
Does the fuel make the food smell ?
No. Meths burns cleanly.
If you run a pressurised liquid stove on petrol it can taint cookware with fingertip transmission.
Does the simmer setting work well ?
On the Trangia - badly. Gas or pressurised liquid fuel are far better. Small ultra light gas burners are not great either.
If you fancy a demo I've got gas, meths and white gasoline stoves. They each have their advantages.
For a quick weekend with hot drinks, a bowl of noodles and a boiled egg for breakfast, a gas jetboil is unbeatable. But the little cyclinders aren't cheap and you are limited in what you can cook successfully.
Gas: easy to use, generally simmer OK, good heat. Needs a windshield to work well, cylinders bulky. Performance can fade badly in the cold.
Trangia is most reliable, brilliant windshield system, but slow and hard to control heat.
White gasoline: massive heat output, fast, generally simmers OK, most compact fuel source. But you can burn yourself badly if careless.
I generally go for a white gasoline stove for longer trips where I'm actually going to cook. I use Aspen4T as fuel (a super-clean organic-based petrol substitute) rather than Coleman fuel.
A Trangia is a great starting point - you can use the burner on its own as a lightweight stove, the pots are superb (I use them with the other stoves).
Avoid titanium cookware, it's a poor conductor of heat and suffers from hotspots worse than aluminium. It's for bragging rights only (I've not seen a carbon fibre coffee mug yet :facepalm: )
A few questions for those that have used stoves such as the Trangia liquid fuel stoves.
How long does the fuel last?
Meths: a large 0.5l Sigg will do 3-4 days, depending on how much long cooking like pasta you do. Using white gasoline in a pressurised liquid stove (e.g. MSR Whisperlite / Coleman) it's more than a week.
Can it be stored in something like a Sigg bottle ?
It's perfect for the job. They make a special fuel version with a different seal. MSR do them too.
Does the fuel make the food smell ?
No. Meths burns cleanly.
If you run a pressurised liquid stove on petrol it can taint cookware with fingertip transmission.
Does the simmer setting work well ?
On the Trangia - badly. Gas or pressurised liquid fuel are far better. Small ultra light gas burners are not great either.
If you fancy a demo I've got gas, meths and white gasoline stoves. They each have their advantages.
For a quick weekend with hot drinks, a bowl of noodles and a boiled egg for breakfast, a gas jetboil is unbeatable. But the little cyclinders aren't cheap and you are limited in what you can cook successfully.
Gas: easy to use, generally simmer OK, good heat. Needs a windshield to work well, cylinders bulky. Performance can fade badly in the cold.
Trangia is most reliable, brilliant windshield system, but slow and hard to control heat.
White gasoline: massive heat output, fast, generally simmers OK, most compact fuel source. But you can burn yourself badly if careless.
I generally go for a white gasoline stove for longer trips where I'm actually going to cook. I use Aspen4T as fuel (a super-clean organic-based petrol substitute) rather than Coleman fuel.
A Trangia is a great starting point - you can use the burner on its own as a lightweight stove, the pots are superb (I use them with the other stoves).
Avoid titanium cookware, it's a poor conductor of heat and suffers from hotspots worse than aluminium. It's for bragging rights only (I've not seen a carbon fibre coffee mug yet :facepalm: )
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Wow !!!
Thanks for that,
Wow !!!
Thanks for that,
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I've just read this whole thread through, love the write ups - and it's really got my appetite up for some overnighting on the south coast or rural Kent. Never done wild camping before so need to get a few items... any recommendations for a light tent and air mattress? I am on quite a strict budget.
Also discovered that nearly 3 years off the bike has put me back a bit in the old fitness department so will need to build up to any sort of distance!
Also discovered that nearly 3 years off the bike has put me back a bit in the old fitness department so will need to build up to any sort of distance!
A lot of people will tell you to go with a tarp plus bivvy bag!
Wild Country Zephyros 2 or Jack Wolfskin Gossamer would be my choice for lightweight durable tents. A lot depends on how tall you are. I've got both - bought the Gossamer 1 for solo touring, then the Zephyros 2 for out with my second son.
To be honest the Zephyros 2 is OK with adult + child, but a bit of a squeeze for two adults. The Gossamer 1 is tough and just on the tent side of the dividing line between a hooped bivvy and a tent.
For something suitable for anything that the weather can throw at you, but a bit more costly, consider the Terra Nova Voyager. I'm on my second one, having replaced the first after using it solidly for 20 years.
Like bikes, there is no single right answer. If you are over 6' then try to crawl inside before you buy.
Wild Country Zephyros 2 or Jack Wolfskin Gossamer would be my choice for lightweight durable tents. A lot depends on how tall you are. I've got both - bought the Gossamer 1 for solo touring, then the Zephyros 2 for out with my second son.
To be honest the Zephyros 2 is OK with adult + child, but a bit of a squeeze for two adults. The Gossamer 1 is tough and just on the tent side of the dividing line between a hooped bivvy and a tent.
For something suitable for anything that the weather can throw at you, but a bit more costly, consider the Terra Nova Voyager. I'm on my second one, having replaced the first after using it solidly for 20 years.
Like bikes, there is no single right answer. If you are over 6' then try to crawl inside before you buy.
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I have nearly all my kit sourced, but one thing I am still unsure of is sleeping mats.
As a wonky middle aged man I value a good night's sleep. I have seen lots on websites but want peoples actual experience of them.
Comfort crucial, weight not an issue and if possible modestly priced.
I have nearly all my kit sourced, but one thing I am still unsure of is sleeping mats.
As a wonky middle aged man I value a good night's sleep. I have seen lots on websites but want peoples actual experience of them.
Comfort crucial, weight not an issue and if possible modestly priced.
Foam are cheap and unbreakable. I like them as they can be used on sharp surfaces, handy when sitting on the ground to keep the damp out etc.
The cheap inflatable / self inflating ones (up to say £40) are OK, but tend to be a little fragile. After a while I ended up playing whack-a-mole with slow leaks (£20 HiGear ones), the sort that wake you up with cold and backache at 2am after deflating slowly over a couple of hours. One bramble prickle and they can start to leak. Mine went around the valves, which I then patched with moderate success.
Being naturally tight I've not bothered buying a decent inflating one yet. Thermarest are a decent brand; prices seem to vary wildly between outlets.
It's the usual light/strong/cheap conundrum.
The cheap inflatable / self inflating ones (up to say £40) are OK, but tend to be a little fragile. After a while I ended up playing whack-a-mole with slow leaks (£20 HiGear ones), the sort that wake you up with cold and backache at 2am after deflating slowly over a couple of hours. One bramble prickle and they can start to leak. Mine went around the valves, which I then patched with moderate success.
Being naturally tight I've not bothered buying a decent inflating one yet. Thermarest are a decent brand; prices seem to vary wildly between outlets.
It's the usual light/strong/cheap conundrum.
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Thanks again Hamster!!
I have a cheap foam one that I'll use for the 'shake down' ride and then I'll go from there.
It's bright yellow, and can attract attention from car drivers
Thanks again Hamster!!
I have a cheap foam one that I'll use for the 'shake down' ride and then I'll go from there.
It's bright yellow, and can attract attention from car drivers
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Roll it with the tent inside.
Tent is a tempest 300, a whopping 2.75 kgs :shock: I
But I'll give it a go
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