Rare Retrobikes...

Most riders I meet don't take much interest in the bikes until they see what they can do.

One of a number of interesting points you make.

The 'classic' mountainbike shape as we know it comes from the U.S., 1970's 1980's west coast amateur builds that went global.

And it is indeed a very pleasing shape. But the reason the bikes look like that is because they were designed/evolved to go down dry hills quickly..

Sounds like the Cleland [this thread is the first one I've seen and I'm very taken] was designed to go up hill in the wet without stopping.

What we need is a road test (sorry, off road test).

There's not enough of the riding side of things on this forum, and some back-to-back-tests would be fantastic: US vs European of the same vintage; re-runs of classic magazine tests; retro vs modern of the same model; clone bikes different riders etc, etc,

Pitting the Cleland against some machinery of a simillar vintage would be a cracking first go.


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Sorry if they've been mentioned before but What about the Alpinestars T-44? Or the Ti Mega with all the Ti bits.

Also I don't think anyone's mentioned the Gary Fisher RS1.
 
What we need is a road test (sorry, off road test).
You're spot on with the "without stopping" comment. The bikes were a reaction against the Rough Stuff Fellowship philosophy of getting off and walking for difficult terrain. Cleland riders don't like to stop for anything even when walking would be easier. (it's a trials bike mentality).

The problem in this instance is that the nature of the test would probably determine the outcome. I could devise tests were only a Cleland would complete the course. (i.e. heavy clay and leaf litter, where the bike wheels grow in size as you ride, the chain acts as a mud scraper/conveyor belt until either the wheels seize up or the freewheel becomes a big ball of mud and leaves).

It's a mater of "horses for courses" The Clelands are lousey road bikes, especially with a headwind.
Riding Clelands next to a variety of other styles of mountain bike means that I already know their strengths and weaknesses. They are in fact good downhill bikes when competing with 'Classic' American mountain bikes. I recall one instance when a team of four Clelands came first in an English downhill competition but couldn't claim the trophy because six were needed for a team.

The US style bikes,through continued investment, have evolved exponentialy. Geoff Apps and others are still evolving the Clelands but at a snails pace and have more ideas, than time and money. The Clelands approached the problems of cycling off road from a different point of view that has not been commercialy explored.

For me, It's nothing to do with racing and everything to do with being able to tour for days on end, in all weathers and trail conditions, without any of the usual reliably and comfort issues.

My Highpath is 20yrs old and done several thousand miles of all weather cycling in varios European countries. It's equipment is nearly all original apart from 1 new freewheel, several chainrings, chains sadles, and pedals, 1 set of front brake shoes, lots of tyres/tubes.

Maintainance is minimal, oil the chain gears etc. Chisel off dried on mud (to reduce weight), and replace tyres/tubes/tighten spokes as needed.

I avoid the worst trail conditions with my modern bikes but not with this one.

They don't make bikes like this anymore. In fact they seldom did in the past either.
 
Other Cleland and Highpath threads

:?: The bikes that time forgot :?:


Other Cleland and Highpath threads

Check out this thread for more information on Cleland and Highpath.

Here you will discover the thoughts of Geoff Apps,
their inventor and designer.


New thread...
"Jack Taylor 'Rough Stuff' 1979 (1953-1974)"
 
Never seen another one of these, not here or anywhere else on the net.

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Anyone remember Kolo Leisure ?

They were based in Pinvin, Worcestershire and specialised in titanium downhill bikes. I popped in there once and they made me a handlebar stem for my purple Yo’.
 
Here's my ride complete.. Muddy Fox Interactive, a bit of 96 retro history with a modern twist!

Not many around now, cost a not so small fortune back in the day £2K+ was a lot of dough back then!!
 

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This suspension system was designed and invented by Dave Smart who also made road bike versions. It is an unusual example of a suspension-bike' designer trying to control the rotational forces that can easily turn a bike into the equivalent of a rocking horse on wheels.

The design is complex but basically sound, and works by interconnecting the front and rear suspensions. The front and rear wheels should rise and fall together. The downside is that the suspension is not independent and the bike could stall when hitting large bumps at low speed.
 
Santercruz":2ifs1k2v said:
Here's my ride complete.. Muddy Fox Interactive, a bit of 96 retro history with a modern twist!

Not many around now, cost a not so small fortune back in the day £2K+ was a lot of dough back then!!


:shock: :shock: What has gone on with that welding?! :shock: :shock:
 
Well I guess they thought more is more as far as holding sheets together!!
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As far as I'm aware this was the first 'box' frame released on this type of bike.. 1st gen handmade blues.. I still love it.. warts an' all!
This could have been a pre production bike... as it was given to a muddy fox worker as part of a retirement gift! (before they were bought out and fecked over.)

Doesn't look like they'll fail though does it! ;)

Job done.
 
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