NOS Mustang frame £110 start

Bike snob...moi? I'll have you know I owned a Mustang just like the one that triggered this thread, and have recently had a dirty fling with an On One.

I can understand wanting to revisit where it all started but the bikes we started on are not the bikes that dreams are made of...

I have had a full clockwork for less than £20
I have had a Orange O2 frame for £10
I bagged a marin palisades kitted out with Ringle, cooks and clark kent and other nice bits for £100
I even had a full Explosif 1993 for £90

There are much more deserving bikes out there for less money.

Changed my avatar in support :p
 
JeRkY":2o3etre1 said:
Bike snob...moi? I'll have you know I owned a Mustang just like the one that triggered this thread, and have recently had a dirty fling with an On One.

But they are not the bikes that dreams are made of...

I have had a full clockwork for less than £20
I have had a Orange O2 frame for £10
I bagged a marin palisades kitted out with Ringle and clark kent and other nice bits for £100
I even had a full Explosif for £90

There are much more deserving bikes out there for less money.

agree, but.....

its always better to read about a build done for a reason rather than just because a bike was cheap. having said that if i was building "just a rider" (such as my saracen traverse), i would rather it was a better bike.

i think i have probably just gone round in a circle!
 
lewis1641":2wntiti1 said:
agree, but.....

its always better to read about a build done for a reason rather than just because a bike was cheap. having said that if i was building "just a rider" (such as my saracen traverse), i would rather it was a better bike.

i think i have probably just gone round in a circle!

I agree with you, stories behind builds are what makes them unique. As you can see from my current fleet (signature) all the bikes mentioned above were a means to an end for me.

But to some one else could have made the perfect platform for a build that meant something to them.
 
It's also much better to read about a top notch bike with a back story that has been painstakingly restored back to period spec. Anything else is just killing time.
 
Dr S":tcmdyae8 said:
It's also much better to read about a top notch bike with a back story that has been painstakingly restored back to period spec.

true
 
Dr S":3un7qoyb said:
It's also much better to read about a top notch bike with a back story that has been painstakingly restored back to period spec. Anything else is just killing time.

So anything other than the 'flagship' builds is killing time is it? I'd have to disagree with you on that one. As Pete himself says there is validity to the solid midrange stuff like the Clockworks and Stumpers (sic).

Have a read through drystonepaul's post a few up.
 
i think anything that someone puts effort into that means something to them is worth it

topend builds are fine but how many times do we see them built then
split or sold usually unused ?
 
I worded that wrong Guv, by top notch I mean good solid bikes with a bit of charisma and class- nice stumpjumpers and clockworks included. It could be a C26 or a mint early Cindercone really as long as its well restored. But it has to have that something to make it special. We are talking about that elusive X Factor again. If you are going to restore something it might as well be something sexy- it doesn't cost much more.
 
lewis1641":20na7m00 said:
i think you have kind of missed the point a bit. i think john posted this up as a kind of "look what he wants for that" sort of think. i think everyone knows it is overpriced. the discussion is really about "why do up a bike like that"

£100 really isnt peanuts. it is more than my monthly disposible income and i know i am not alone when i say that. i have never in my life spent £100 on a night out. the thought of it makes me feel a bit queasy really...

i do believe someone on here picked up a tange prestige frame, nos for £40, there's always a bevy of nos saracen frames on ebay for £20 or 30 or so

Its not the original post thats being commented on by so many people, its obvious why it was flagged originally, a bit of fun and finger pointing of which I too, am guilty on occassion :)

The fact that such a frame has drawn so much attention is what I cannot understand, its the debate of the century. Its also drawn out people suggesting something akin to anything less than a 1997 Merlin with full XTR is only suitable for the skip, which I dont think is the sole point of this site.

We can only say something is overpriced if it fails to sell at any given price. To me, yes, it is expensive for what it is, but its not stratospheric. You may also consider it overpriced but you cannot possibly claim to speak for every potential buyer. This is why a dead animal in a fish tank can fetch millions of pounds at auction, marketed as "contemporary art". I wouldnt buy it even if I had the money, but someone will.

I can see how someone might think that a Raleigh product from that era would be collectable, someone with say, less knowledge than your average enthusiast, or perhaps someone who doesnt care about cost, they just want it for sentimental reasons.

It was not my intention to offend anyone by saying £100 is peanuts, merely that it is a relatively low amount in modern terms, an amount which many people, if not the majority, are able to afford.

Overall, I think it just struck me as a waste of time to nit pick at each others tastes. Yes, as IDB1 pointed out, a forum is for discussion but at what point does a discussion turn into a fruitless argument?

All the users here are different. Different tastes, means, history, riding ability and just about anything else we can name. If someone wants to build only Ti bikes with XTR, thats up to them. I'd give the same freedom to a guy who pays £150 for a Mustang frame, it's his/her money afterall.
 
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