My Holdsworth special 1971......

[Peachy!]

Re: Frame identification help....I know I know

I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than I will chime in but that frame looks way more modern than 1951. I'd guess at more like late 70's

They had the email with these same pics and the matching frame and fork numbers when they confirmed 1951 superb in poly gold.... so I’m going to have to go with the experts opinion I’m afraid lol

I’m hoping none of this puts you off RB. As it would be nice to see this frame in all its glory once more....



But..... when it comes to identifying a retro road frame... I personally would give a little more weight to the gang on here than some young hipster who bought the Ellis Briggs shop a few years ago & who sends his frames to Bob Jackson for spraying.... just saying. Not having a go I promise

 

[nonowt]

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That's my Ellis Briggs posted up thread by Midlife. More pictures here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Pq7XOXDJj6kVInP52

As others have said,it's a great looking frame - and the 4 digit number suggests a quality bespoke builder - but its more 80s than 50s.

As an aside, I got mine re-sprayed at (via it turns out) Ellis Briggs and the guy now running it is a disaster... your lucky he answered the phone and i was lucky to get my frame back...

 

[vcballbat]

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Should have gone to Legoland...

 

[Collier_mk2]

Re: Frame identification help....I know I know

I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than I will chime in but that frame looks way more modern than 1951. I'd guess at more like late 70's

They had the email with these same pics and the matching frame and fork numbers when they confirmed 1951 superb in poly gold.... so I’m going to have to go with the experts opinion I’m afraid lol

I’m hoping none of this puts you off RB. As it would be nice to see this frame in all its glory once more....



But..... when it comes to identifying a retro road frame... I personally would give a little more weight to the gang on here than some young hipster who bought the Ellis Briggs shop a few years ago & who sends his frames to Bob Jackson for spraying.... just saying. Not having a go I promise

Cheers mate,so frame number 1706 indicates early build so f@ck nose I’ll just paint it logo it see how it feels might just hang it on the wall as bit of art

 

[Peachy!]

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My gut’s saying a Holdsworth shop special...... I’m going to wake up “CBguy” & “DWscrimshaw”

 

[allenh]

Re: Frame identification help....I know I know

Cheers mate,so frame number 1706 indicates early build so f@ck nose I’ll just paint it logo it see how it feels might just hang it on the wall as bit of art

That frame is way too nice to just hang on a wall, It needs a build thread of its own and regardless of its age or manufacturer its obviously a nice frame so if it were mine I think I'd go with your original instinct of building it up with more modern components so you can use it, being of a similar age as you (52 this year) I love older stuff but stuff improves for a reason.

I think Peachy might well be on to something as that semi wrap over seat stay treatment is reasonably distinctive although I have seen similar on other makers frames. I've got one linkedhere that has similar treatment there and this one I've never properly identified, it came badged as a Holdsworth and it possibly is but I'm not entirely sure, it's had a lot of work over the years by the looks of things and as suggested by torqueless it might well have started out as a track frame originally, but what I do know is it was originally a green that Holdsworth used and the seat stay treatment does look rightish on reflection.

The bottom line is this frame identification game can be almost impossible and of the six I've tried to identify on here, two I'm sure of, one I'm reasonably sure, one well it could be (the one above) and the other two not a bloody clue, the good news is that there is a wealth of knowledge on here to tap and a lot of very helpful people.

 

[Collier_mk2]

Re: Frame identification help....I know I know

Cheers mate,so frame number 1706 indicates early build so f@ck nose I’ll just paint it logo it see how it feels might just hang it on the wall as bit of art

That frame is way too nice to just hang on a wall, It needs a build thread of its own and regardless of its age or manufacturer its obviously a nice frame so if it were mine I think I'd go with your original instinct of building it up with more modern components so you can use it, being of a similar age as you (52 this year) I love older stuff but stuff improves for a reason.

I think Peachy might well be on to something as that semi wrap over seat stay treatment is reasonably distinctive although I have seen similar on other makers frames. I've got one linkedhere that has similar treatment there and this one I've never properly identified, it came badged as a Holdsworth and it possibly is but I'm not entirely sure, it's had a lot of work over the years by the looks of things and as suggested by torqueless it might well have started out as a track frame originally, but what I do know is it was originally a green that Holdsworth used and the seat stay treatment does look rightish on reflection.

The bottom line is this frame identification game can be almost impossible and of the six I've tried to identify on here, two I'm sure of, one I'm reasonably sure, one well it could be (the one above) and the other two not a bloody clue, the good news is that there is a wealth of knowledge on here to tap and a lot of very helpful people.

Thanks for your reply yeah was getting disheartened by the comments but realise it was helpful I just wanted it to be a 51 Ellis Briggs like I say as homage to my dads Ellis Briggs history and the fact I foolishly sold his 7 years ago :cry: I’ll let the lads on here try solve it I’ve found so many different frame pics with the wrap around seat stays holdsworth etc it’s mind boggling here’s a pic of frame number sent me before it was painted notice the old paint is yellow gold like EB told me it should be....hope this helps cherrs nic

 

[dwscrimshaw]

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The number would fit with a early 70's shop contract build frame although the ones numbers we have collected so far seem to have Nervex Pro lugs for frames that aren't an obvious Holdsworth model. The things that look unusual is the very thin wrap over stay, neither full shop style or semi-wrapped and the windows in the lugs. That said I guess a contract build could be whatever you like.

 

[Collier_mk2]

Re: Frame identification help....I know I know

The number would fit with a early 70's shop contract build frame although the ones numbers we have collected so far seem to have Nervex Pro lugs for frames that aren't an obvious Holdsworth model. The things that look unusual is the very thin wrap over stay, neither full shop style or semi-wrapped and the windows in the lugs. That said I guess a contract build could be whatever you like.

Thanks for that but the retard i am what manufacturer is it do you think?

 

[Peachy!]

Re: Frame identification help....I know I know

The number would fit with a early 70's shop contract build frame although the ones numbers we have collected so far seem to have Nervex Pro lugs for frames that aren't an obvious Holdsworth model. The things that look unusual is the very thin wrap over stay, neither full shop style or semi-wrapped and the windows in the lugs. That said I guess a contract build could be whatever you like.

Thanks for that but the retard i am what manufacturer is it do you think?

David is talking about Holdsworth. Although I have a Holdsworth shop special Claud Butler with those window lugs.

When it comes down to customer ordered specials it’s like trying to find a needle in a haystack