Klein Attitude Team USA - it's arrived !!!

[Muddy Funster]

I know its rude to ask ....but how much roughly did that set you back?

 

[MAXTHEROTTI]

as a rough guess £725 + postage??
as per the ebay link on the first post

rob

 

[Carsten]

Now to find one in 17" real terms (what is that in Klein sizes?).

measured center to center that would be more the large (21") frame which was not available in 90/91, only from late 93 onwards. the medium (20") frame as the one shown here should be 17" center to top top tube. more important though is the top tube length as the seat tubes have those long extensions above the top tube. how tall are you?

carsten

 

[Rampage]

The tubing is still available from your trek dealer, but given your location, might take a little bit of time. Shouldn't be more than a few pounds for it.

Some guy was selling it on ebay for 10x it's real price recently. If you have access to a friend in an industrial setting, this tubing is simply 1/8" nylon tubing. It's available in rolls of 100 feet for $20 or so from industrial supply houses.

Just looked it up: http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/items/4HM09, pretty standard equipment.

Why would you want to use nylon? (Polyamide - fishing line, clothes etc)
PFTE (Teflon) is far better. Which is what was on ebay.
The size required for Klein's is very hard to find in this country.

From Wikipedia.
PTFE:
PTFE is a white solid at room temperature, with a density of about 2.2 g/cm³. According to DuPont its melting point is 327 °C (620.6 °F), but its properties degrade above 260 °C (500 °F).[7]

The coefficient of friction of plastics is usually measured against polished steel.[8] PTFE's coefficient of friction is 0.1 or less[7], which is the second lowest of any known solid material (Diamond-like carbon being the first). PTFE's resistance to van der Waals forces means that it is the only known surface to which a gecko cannot stick.[9]

Due to its low friction, it is used for applications where sliding action of parts is needed: bearings, bushings, gears, slide plates, etc. In these applications it performs significantly better than nylon and acetal; it is comparable to ultra high-molecular weight polyethylene (UHMWPE), although UHMWPE is more resistant to wear than Teflon.

Much more suitable than nylon

 

[Carsten]

yeah, nylon is the wrong term but we meant the correct material. plenty of threads on this topic anyways

e.g. http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33590

carsten

 

[pinguwin]

Why would you want to use nylon? (Polyamide - fishing line, clothes etc)PFTE (Teflon) is far better.

I may have mistaken what was on ebay, but what Klein sells is nylon and not PFTE. I have a sample of it sitting in front of me, with the Klein tag still on, it reads:

S&L (R) NYLAFLOW PRESSURE TUBING TYPE 1/8" SHIFT CODE C8A4

Here is a link to http://www.slpinc.cc/stock/nylaflow.htm, it reads "Nylaflow nylon tubing". So, now we know.

Just looked this up on Graingers: http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/items/1PCV1, about 3x the cost of nylon tubing, but readily available nonetheless.

 

[holden]

The other reason you can tell its a 1990 is that they had the serial numbers BATnnn, the 1991 model year serial had Axxx (xxx=letters & numbers)

Huh. I didn't know that. Mine is a "AT###" which I assumed was a 1990. My fork is "A###" too. It has the Klein embossed headset rubber which I assumed to be a 1990, but I guess it could've been applied later.

 

[pinguwin]

The Axxx for the fork is standard. That ATxxx serial number I have heard about but is uncommon. I was going to mention it, but didn't. I'm not quite sure where the ATxxx serial number come in (early or late or what), just that there are some.

I am aware that some 91's had box crown forks in Europe but I'm not aware offhand of any that were sold in the U.S for 91. It makes me wonder if they were left over from the 90 production run.

 

[Carsten]

Why would you want to use nylon? (Polyamide - fishing line, clothes etc)PFTE (Teflon) is far better.

I may have mistaken what was on ebay, but what Klein sells is nylon and not PFTE. I have a sample of it sitting in front of me, with the Klein tag still on, it reads:

S&L (R) NYLAFLOW PRESSURE TUBING TYPE 1/8" SHIFT CODE C8A4

Here is a link to http://www.slpinc.cc/stock/nylaflow.htm, it reads "Nylaflow nylon tubing". So, now we know.

Just looked this up on Graingers: http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/items/1PCV1, about 3x the cost of nylon tubing, but readily available nonetheless.

i stand corrected. went into the garage and pulled an original old Klein liner out and on it is written "Polypenco Nylaflow Pressure Tubing Type T" which indeed is Nylon and not PTFE

http://www.portplastics.com/plastics/tu ... coS&L.html

http://www.portplastics.com/plastics/tu ... owS&L.html

Carsten

 

[pinguwin]

which indeed is Nylon and not PTFE

Which isn't to say PTFE isn't a good idea. I do believe I'm going to talk to the people in the materials department at work tomorrow.