I don't get why some people don't get ebikes.

[greencat]

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Too many straw men here
The comparison was between bikes and e-bikes
There’s no comparison as an e-bike is exponentially worse for the environment than a normal bicycle.

No, the comparison you gave was between walking and cycling - not ebiking.
Exponential is an equation that in this context perhaps suggests the more you use, the worse it gets (unless you are using the word in a hyperbolic manner). Actually, it that's generally not true of bikes or ebikes:

https://www.retrobike.co.uk/threads/i-dont-get-why-some-people-dont-get-ebikes.466222/post-3571957https://www.retrobike.co.uk/threads/i-dont-get-why-some-people-dont-get-ebikes.466222/post-3573472
The worst bike or ebike is probably the one that never gets ridden. May I suggest you post some stats to back up your gut feel?

 

[Guinessisgoodforyou]

This thread.

 

[ibbz]

No, the comparison you gave was between walking and cycling - not ebiking.
Exponential is an equation that in this context perhaps suggests the more you use, the worse it gets (unless you are using the word in a hyperbolic manner). Actually, it that's generally not true of bikes or ebikes:

https://www.retrobike.co.uk/threads/i-dont-get-why-some-people-dont-get-ebikes.466222/post-3571957https://www.retrobike.co.uk/threads/i-dont-get-why-some-people-dont-get-ebikes.466222/post-3573472
The worst bike or ebike is probably the one that never gets ridden. May I suggest you post some stats to back up your gut feel?

Incorrect
“But essentially human + more food + bike has a greater environmental impact than human + food + ebike ”
Is what you wrote.
But you know what I meant - if exponentially was the wrong word to use.

 

[2manyoranges]

Aaaargh…..

NO it CAN’T be true……….

• Electric bikes have an even lower carbon footprint than conventional bikes because fewer calories are burned per kilometre, despite the emissions from battery manufacturing and electricity use

But maybe it is…..it does indeed depend on a true comparison of adjuvant analysis - manufacture, disposal, food chain analysis etc

https://www.bikeradar.com/features/long-reads/cycling-environmental-impact

 

[Guinessisgoodforyou]

I am therefore I fart.

 

[MattiThundrrr]

I have been riding my steel Hardrock for thirty years. In thirty years, I will still be riding that Hardrock, barring unforeseen circumstances. How many lithium batteries does that equal? How many of today's e bikes will be running in five years? There is absolutely no way I can eat enough to equal that impact. Anyone saying that an e bike has less impact is having willful delusions.

 

[Guinessisgoodforyou]

I have been riding my steel Hardrock for thirty years. In thirty years, I will still be riding that Hardrock, barring unforeseen circumstances. How many lithium batteries does that equal? How many of today's e bikes will be running in five years? There is absolutely no way I can eat enough to equal that impact. Anyone saying that an e bike has less impact is having willful delusions.
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That picture is depressing.

 

[2manyoranges]

I have been riding my steel Hardrock for thirty years. In thirty years, I will still be riding that Hardrock, barring unforeseen circumstances. How many lithium batteries does that equal? How many of today's e bikes will be running in five years? There is absolutely no way I can eat enough to equal that impact. Anyone saying that an e bike has less impact is having willful delusions.
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Concrete, wasteland, steel, copper, encapsulated energy. Awful. What are we doing?

 

[ibbz]

I have been riding my steel Hardrock for thirty years. In thirty years, I will still be riding that Hardrock, barring unforeseen circumstances. How many lithium batteries does that equal? How many of today's e bikes will be running in five years? There is absolutely no way I can eat enough to equal that impact. Anyone saying that an e bike has less impact is having willful delusions.
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[ibbz]

Aaaargh…..

NO it CAN’T be true……….

• Electric bikes have an even lower carbon footprint than conventional bikes because fewer calories are burned per kilometre, despite the emissions from battery manufacturing and electricity use

But maybe it is…..it does indeed depend on a true comparison of adjuvant analysis - manufacture, disposal, food chain analysis etc

https://www.bikeradar.com/features/long-reads/cycling-environmental-impact

It’s not true. Read the article then the sources and there’s always an agenda skewing everything