bikeworkshop
Old School Grand Master
There's remote places where once it was just me,
and now it's me and 3 guys on 4k ebikes.
But that's progress!
and now it's me and 3 guys on 4k ebikes.
But that's progress!
I don't get why some people don't get ebikes.
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Twozaskars
Retro Guru
Went for a walk around Sherwood pines on Sunday and almost every single e-bike that passed us was seemingly under the (lack of) control of an arrogant selfish twit. Looked like the ‘ordinary’ bikes were holding them up on the actual bike trails so they took to scaring dogs and kids on the gravel fire roads instead.
That said, I did use one of those Dott bikes in Brussels last week and was my first proper e-bike ride, I liked it.
That said, I did use one of those Dott bikes in Brussels last week and was my first proper e-bike ride, I liked it.
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Ah but your commuting probably isn't what other want.
The ebike fits the bill of get to work and back as easy as possible and it's cheaper and doesn't need all the stuff a moped needs, unless you go the illegal e-bike (dodgy electric moped that looks a bit like a push bike) route, then people seem to just ignore it.
People are not as sweaty, they can get there quicker and do it for not a lot. Ebikes are not expensive, expensive ebikes are expensive.
The battery is nothing compared to cars of any shape or form, other than a flintstones or even a drill/strimmer/lawnmower, throw away AAs, laptops, phones...
And recycling and life is better now (same for e-cars).
But still if your going ebike, go recumberent and do it properly.
The ebike fits the bill of get to work and back as easy as possible and it's cheaper and doesn't need all the stuff a moped needs, unless you go the illegal e-bike (dodgy electric moped that looks a bit like a push bike) route, then people seem to just ignore it.
People are not as sweaty, they can get there quicker and do it for not a lot. Ebikes are not expensive, expensive ebikes are expensive.
The battery is nothing compared to cars of any shape or form, other than a flintstones or even a drill/strimmer/lawnmower, throw away AAs, laptops, phones...
And recycling and life is better now (same for e-cars).
But still if your going ebike, go recumberent and do it properly.
We've been through the environmental impact of ebikes v bikes on this/another thread. Turns out to be nuanced and not obvious. But essentially human + more food + bike has a greater environmental impact than human + food + ebike (yes, you will on average eat more riding a normal bike because you are expending more energy - and electricity turns out to be more efficient at propelling humans than human power). The additional environmental impact of the production of a new ebike is essentially the same as a couple of large steaks. That should not be a surprise as the additional components are roughly the equivalent of a cordless drill plus a couple of batteries. Compared to a car, moped or whatever it's peanuts.
I have never paid more than £500 for an ebike - either conversion kit for an existing bike or full ebike. Here's the fiido D3 pro, for example:
https://uk.fiido.com/products/fiido-d3-pro-mini-electric-bike
A perfectly capable little ebike that does at least 15 miles on one charge over my very hilly commute. It'll also happily carry me (80kg) and 20kg of shopping up a 14% hill. Customer service is a crap shoot, but if you are happy fettling as I am then it's a good deal.
Of course, if funds are limited or you want/need the exercise - a second hand push bike is always a good choice for commuting (and environment). I would probably still be using one myself were it not for the surgery, physically demanding job and hilly commute. But our household is carless and the rural area we live in poorly served by public transport so I'm not going to lose any sleep over using a ebike.
I have never paid more than £500 for an ebike - either conversion kit for an existing bike or full ebike. Here's the fiido D3 pro, for example:
https://uk.fiido.com/products/fiido-d3-pro-mini-electric-bike
A perfectly capable little ebike that does at least 15 miles on one charge over my very hilly commute. It'll also happily carry me (80kg) and 20kg of shopping up a 14% hill. Customer service is a crap shoot, but if you are happy fettling as I am then it's a good deal.
Of course, if funds are limited or you want/need the exercise - a second hand push bike is always a good choice for commuting (and environment). I would probably still be using one myself were it not for the surgery, physically demanding job and hilly commute. But our household is carless and the rural area we live in poorly served by public transport so I'm not going to lose any sleep over using a ebike.
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I would’ve told him to F Off. you’re too kind
And I can’t stand E Bikes of any sort
An E bike battery is an environmental disaster
MattiThundrrr
Kona Fan
I'm still calling "baloney" on consuming less because of the eBike. I eat the same amount whether I ride or walk.
A lot of human activity is bad for the other flora and fauna on the planet. It is a matter of choice and degree. Is an ebike battery an environmental disaster akin to an oil spill? or a petrol engine? Or eating a couple of steaks?
I guess there's a testable assumption that cycling is roughly equivalent to walking in terms of energy used. You don't say, how far you are traveling or for how long for each activity so it makes comparison difficult.
All I know is that when I've cycled 100 miles in a day, I've eaten a lot more than the days I sat on a train to travel the same distance. It does not surprise me that cycling an ebike for 100 miles would result in eating less than if I used a regular cycle. Obviously, YMMV.
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Too many straw men here
The comparison was between bikes and e-bikes
There’s no comparison as an e-bike is exponentially worse for the environment than a normal bicycle.
