General Election

[KDM]

fair point

 

[technodup]

"hey look they are giving our candidate a rough time" even though you know it has little effect on the electorate? In effect the msm is little more than your bogie man because you need one?

Mainstream media - having less and less effect, especially with the young - generally right wing = bad
Online media - having more and more effect, especially with the young - generally left wing = good

Left logic.

 

[Harryburgundy]

"hey look they are giving our candidate a rough time" even though you know it has little effect on the electorate? In effect the msm is little more than your bogie man because you need one?

Mainstream media - having less and less effect, especially with the young - generally right wing = bad
Online media - having more and more effect, especially with the young - generally left wing = good

Left logic.

Generally left wing? Would you care to try and quantify that? Last time I looked The Daily Mail had a FB page, so too Britain First, and The Express, The Times, UKIP, The Conservatives, EDL et al.
It's just a little easy and convenient to suggest all social media leans towards the left isn't it?

 

[technodup]

"hey look they are giving our candidate a rough time" even though you know it has little effect on the electorate? In effect the msm is little more than your bogie man because you need one?

Mainstream media - having less and less effect, especially with the young - generally right wing = bad
Online media - having more and more effect, especially with the young - generally left wing = good

Left logic.

It's just a little easy and convenient to suggest all social media leans towards the left isn't it?

But I didn't say that. I said generally. The Twittersphere and to much the same extent Facebook tend to be heavily weighted towards the young. The liberal. The metropolitan wannabe elite if you will. Not forgetting the downtrodden, excluded and social failures. Which as we've seen from the election results tend to be more of a Corbyn persuasion than anything more sensible.

Sites like the Canary, AnotherAngryVoice, WingsofScotland et al pump out shite which gets shared more than any traditional media outlet could ever hope for, without having to concern themselves with IPSO, Ofcom or anyone else. As you can see here http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk ... ok-on.html

Or at the last election you can see Twitter reactions to leaders debate. Pretty one sided again.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general ... nning.html

And before you quote numbers of followers, it's irrelevant. The Mail might have 11m more than the Canary, but they're not engaging with the material (another reason their influence is in decline). That fat wreck Mendoza has been on the TV far more times than 100k followers should ever warrant. But because they're telling their audience what they want to hear (free stuff, tax the rich, nasty Tories) the engagement is huge and it drives everything else, including mainstream news reports and TV appearances which adds credibility. Not to mention morons like Lily Allen and Russell Brand sticking their oar in and appealing to the yoof vote. When did you last see a celeb back the Tories? Many of them must do but it would be career suicide to admit it.

That can't be right.

 

[al-onestare]

That can't be right.

To quote you on the other thread:

Who cares?

Which is a shame because you raise a valid point. Labour nailed it in the social media space which means, sadly, the next election wherever that'll be, will go into over-drive in that space as the other parties try and catch up. It's polarised enough as it is.

Strong and stable. Strong and f-ing stable.

It's priceless

 

[Harryburgundy]

When did you last see a celeb back the Tories? Many of them must do but it would be career suicide to admit it.

That can't be right.

Interesting that you think a celeb supporting the Tories would be seen as toxic to their carreer...a wonder why?

That can't be right? Surely your'e not a right winger complaining of media bias are you? That would be hysterical.

 

[Mike Muz]

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Stop complaining Harryburgundy!

Don't you know? Austerity is officially over, according to the PM. Even if we now have nearly twice the national debt we had before.
Oh, an inflation is higher than even the economic experts predicted, meaning that unless your salary has increased by 2.9% this month, you're worse off. Still, we don't need experts, do we.
For the first time ever, there is a bureau de change, in an English airport giving out less than a euro for each pound. Mark my words, it won't be the last.
But things could be worse. There could well be trouble again in Northern Ireland, should the DUP get into a coalition with the Tories. Then, they will be.
Still, at least we will have our country back, eh?

Mike

 

[technodup]

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When did you last see a celeb back the Tories? Many of them must do but it would be career suicide to admit it.

That can't be right.

Interesting that you think a celeb supporting the Tories would be seen as toxic to their carreer...a wonder why?

Empty vessels make the most noise. And the Twittersphere is emptier than most. Jimmy Carr, JK Rowling and many more have had their share of abusive dribble for tax or Brexit reasons. When 'the internet' view is Corbyn good, May bad I can well understand why most keep quiet.

That can't be right? Surely your'e not a right winger complaining of media bias are you? That would be hysterical.

I'm not though, I'm just pointing out there are two sides to it. Where it's not right is the wild west aspect of the internet where any nugget with a grudge can abuse people to the point of physical threats.

This is probably the first example of online/social being a major factor in a UK election. But in Scotland we're away ahead. Since pre-referendum days we've had various 'new media' churning out their 'independent' views, portraying themselves as unbiased when actually they're simply biased the other way.

Wings of Scotland comments are a good example. Loads of the same names back slapping the author as he picks holes in the MSM and opposition parties. But they're completely oblivious to the myriad of holes anyone with a smidgen of critical thought could pick in his own analysis. It tells them what they want to hear though.

Don't you know? Austerity is officially over, according to the PM. Even if we now have nearly twice the national debt we had before.

Austerity never started, we still spend £1bn a week more than we earn.

 

[KDM]

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Wings of Scotland comments are a good example. Loads of the same names back slapping the author as he picks holes in the MSM and opposition parties.

I always found it weird that wings over Scotland was created, run and owned by a bloke who has lived in Somerset for the last 20 years, happens to have a tory county council and pays his taxes in England.

Wings is just one example how they decry the msm, but like most tin hatters, they fail to see that for them, these sites have become their own msm so in effect, msm is not a problem as long as it is their type of msm

As to the election, we have all done the bit that we are allowed to do so anything we do or say is likely to have little or no impact.

 

[Harryburgundy]

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Austerity never started.

Oh my days, I've heard it all now. Beyond ridicule and frankly insulting to all those who have suffered under the Tories with no gain for the majority of the country whatsoever.