General Election

[Harryburgundy]

Re:

But can we give the whole 'right wing media' thing a rest? So some newspapers (which are on their way out) were hostile.

No...I don't think we can give it a rest. I think what we saw in The Daily Mail, The Express, The Sun and even The Times was deplorable. These papers have some of the largest circulations and what they wrote was deplorable at best, most certainly immoral and most bordering on illegal. In fact, I don't know how they got away with it...it's blatant propaganda.

The Sun and The Daily Mail know who their readership are...male, white and over 50, with basic education.

I'm really happy that new media sources are addressing the balance but we have a long way to go...and indeed it opens a new debate in terms of political bias.

 

[KDM]

I've yet to be in any country where the media does not have a media bias. The media loved labour when Blair was in charge and pummelled the tories on a regular basis and that stood a large point in him being elected so many times. You cannot enjoy the media bias when you are in power yourself then bemoan it when you are not.

That is not media bias, that is selective approval of bias by the voter. Yeaaahhhh the media love us so the media must understand how good we are. Boo they don't like us anymore, they are biased.

Please, that is the politics of a spoilt child and little more.

Things will calm down for a while now, despite Corbyn claiming he is ready, his numbers for government are as accurate as were his numbers for his manifesto. It will settle, Brexit will start and if there is to be a leadership change it will happen before party conference in October. If it doesn't happen then, then it will not happen until not long before the next election.

Personally after the Scottish indi vote, council votes, Scottish msp votes, Brexit vote and lastly the general election, most people are just all voted out and want to see government get on with things

 

[CTK]

May put in the Tory manifesto no Leveson pt2. There was very little definitive in the manifesto apart from this! I say a deal was struck. You cannot say they didn't go easy on May. She was a perfect story! But they ran with Corbyn being a terrorist nearly every day.

Blair struck a deal with Murdoch over some type of takeover or something. He's murdoch's childs god father FFS.

 

[KDM]

Proving my point, the press can hate labour one day and love it the next and hate it the day after. The idea that media love ins only happen when the tories are around is a false one.

What will be interesting to see now is not what the tories do but Labour. Corbyn had lost the majority of the plp and I suspect many still see this as a little fad and nothing more. I wonder how many of those anti Corbyn Labour will now speak about Corbyn and with how much honesty and how the Labour party rebuilds from this point.

Domestic politics largely has peaked and will go quiet for a while whilst Brexit starts, a lot of parties, not just the tories will be looking at their results and what they mean to them

 

[Silvergoat]

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Rupert Murdoch (News International, Sky and Fox News) became a US citizen because he couldn't otherwise be both a media baron running Fox News and a foreign national in the US. Lord Rothermere (British owner of The Daily Mail) resides in France for tax purposes. The Barclay brothers (Telegraph) reside on the English Channel island of Sark and thus don't pay British tax. Richard Desmond (Express) made his money from the seedier end of the sex industry.

Traditional print media and news empires owned by just a few people are being run to suit the vested business interests of their owners – this has had a toxic effect on British politics, its people and on how the UK is governed. However, these old media empires who have called the shots in British politics for decades, are now finding themselves increasingly irrelevant and often increasingly at odds (like The Sun) to sections of the public following many many high profile events. They are being outpaced, outwitted and left behind by younger and savvier generations using the immediacy of social media to communicate, question things, campaign and mobilise.

The long accepted wisdom of political pundits and opinion polls and the reliable vote of a particular age demographic or social and economic group propped up by particular newsgroups, is a broken formula. As we've witnessed over the past year or two, nothing can be taken for granted any more.

 

[Bats]

That is not media bias, that is selective approval of bias by the voter. Yeaaahhhh the media love us so the media must understand how good we are. Boo they don't like us anymore, they are biased.

Please, that is the politics of a spoilt child and little more.

The point flew over you by a mile. The fact of the matter is that the newspapers lied and continue to lie. Simple bias would be them reporting something truthfully, then explaining why they don't like it. Instead they make things up of whole cloth. That they loved Tory Blair does not disprove that - they loved Tory Blair because he hated socialism just like they do.

 

[KDM]

I think it is you have missed the point bats

You assume everyone knows the papers do this and yet everyone falls for it meaning that the majority of the electorate are easily brainwashed because they must be sheep. If that were the case all these tin hat conspiracy theorists would have used that tactic as the daily mirror, socialist worker etc

I prefer to think most people know how the game is played, are getting fed up with the game and whilst they see what the media do, are ignoring it and doing their own thing at vote time

The sheep mantra you push is selective, everyone who voted for corbyn is not a sheep and everyone who voted for may is, and yet, they all see the same press and media.

This "all mainstrean media is biased" is little more than a pussy excuse for when socialists lose, had they won, they wouldn't have mentioned the media hardly at all

 

[Bats]

You're the only person talking about "sheep" or brainwashing. All I've said is that the press have and do lie about Corbyn. It's demonstrable. What's also demonstrable is that it's not very effective.

 

[KDM]

So why bring up "the mainstream media" as though it's the thought police, if you actually believe it is not and it's not very effective?


Haven't you yourself and those who use the msm excuse for "hey look they are giving our candidate a rough time" even though you know it has little effect on the electorate? In effect the msm is little more than your bogie man because you need one?

 

[Bats]

So why bring up "the mainstream media" as though it's the thought police, if you actually believe it is not and it's not very effective?

Maybe you should ask someone who does that then. I don't so I can't say.

Weird seeing you paint an unflattering picture of me on a sack of straw and arguing with it instead of me. When you've finished being a newspaper let me know.