Eroica Brittania Rules
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Johnsqual":1zocku06 said:
Why does one have to be better than another ... be a bit more positive, it makes life better, I expect both will be great events and if possible I'd like to do both ...
I expect they will be quite different and each have something to offer ... the fact that we have both these events is great ...
I try to be positive where I can but you can't polish a turd: I don't see why people should just blindly accept being ripped off. I know this is their first attempt but the organisers have other events to learn from. I can't see that what's being offered justifies the extra money.
June in now a crowded month with the Retro Ronde Van Vlaanderen, Bravo Scozia and Eroica Britannia.
I expect that financially and practically, most people can only manage one or at most two of those events. I'd choose Bravo Scozia and RRVV any day.
Johnny
June in now a crowded month with the Retro Ronde Van Vlaanderen, Bravo Scozia and Eroica Britannia.
I expect that financially and practically, most people can only manage one or at most two of those events. I'd choose Bravo Scozia and RRVV any day.
Johnny
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Johnsqual":rtov59y1 said:
Give it a rest ... how do you know it will be "a turd" and a "rip off" ...
For a 100 mile ride with food stops & 3 days camping I consider that reasonable value at £55
Your entry fee includes:
Entry to L'Eroica Britannia festival
Free camping for 3 days! Come and make a holiday of it! Stay and adventure in the area for 3 days*
1 free car parking space
Event number for jersey and bicycle
A "road" book in which to affix appropriate stamps at check points
Numerous retro refreshment stops depending on the route chosen
Souvenir of the event
Post-ride food
Now give it up will you ...
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I have paid £55 ... Are you demanding to see my receipt ?
Everyone had the opportunity to pay that price.
Even at £70 I think it is reasonable value.
3 nights camping for my VW camper in the Peak District national park would probably cost £50 before you add in all the other stuff.
If you don't want to be part of it fine ....
Everyone had the opportunity to pay that price.
Even at £70 I think it is reasonable value.
3 nights camping for my VW camper in the Peak District national park would probably cost £50 before you add in all the other stuff.
If you don't want to be part of it fine ....
if I were to liken this to a classic car rally, then this would be a meeting not aimed at MGB or Capri owners, but those with classic Astons and Ferraris.
For me personally, I would not want to camp as I live on the doorstep. It seems there is no ride-only option. Bit like forcing someone to take out a warranty and sky package with that new TV.
As someone local living in sheffield, and being part of the city's cycling community, mine and most others' minds are made up who the company is behind the organisation of this. It is also generally banded about (as a business they are predominantly not into cycling, that became a sideline) that they have a reputation for being well presented up front, but with rogueish business practices behind the scenes. However, just for balance and to dispell any potential libel claims, I want to reitterated that none of this is categorically proven to me, but I do live in a non-sensationalist real-world, so draw your own conclusions. I'm also not going to be drawn any further on these rogueiish aspects, so please don't ask. Therefore, sorry Montello and others, but I can be nothing but cynical.
On the flip side, in todays modern sportive world, £55 is not out of the ordinary. whether that's VFM is down to the individual.
If John or the mods want to pull this post, I understand, its not a problem, I thought several times before posting, but I see a battle ensueing up there ^^ with the rose tinted brigade being most passionate.
For me personally, I would not want to camp as I live on the doorstep. It seems there is no ride-only option. Bit like forcing someone to take out a warranty and sky package with that new TV.
As someone local living in sheffield, and being part of the city's cycling community, mine and most others' minds are made up who the company is behind the organisation of this. It is also generally banded about (as a business they are predominantly not into cycling, that became a sideline) that they have a reputation for being well presented up front, but with rogueish business practices behind the scenes. However, just for balance and to dispell any potential libel claims, I want to reitterated that none of this is categorically proven to me, but I do live in a non-sensationalist real-world, so draw your own conclusions. I'm also not going to be drawn any further on these rogueiish aspects, so please don't ask. Therefore, sorry Montello and others, but I can be nothing but cynical.
On the flip side, in todays modern sportive world, £55 is not out of the ordinary. whether that's VFM is down to the individual.
If John or the mods want to pull this post, I understand, its not a problem, I thought several times before posting, but I see a battle ensueing up there ^^ with the rose tinted brigade being most passionate.
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pigman":uq0qn06s said:
So you are just spreading nasty gossip then ...
NeilM":uq0qn06s said:
Any regular poster on here had the chance to pre register but even at £70 it is a bargain ...
Lets break it down.
A bog standard uninspiring sportive run out of a school or sports centre with minimal event atmosphere will cost you £35.
A premium sportive like the Dragon Ride is £57.50 or the Etape Caledonia £65 ...
Given what these guys are putting on as a start finish village and the food I'd say the ride on it's own would justify say £55 fee in the current market, so if you'd have pre-registered to ride only I think that would be fair.
If you want to camp near Bakewell have a look at this:
http://acumen.webapplicationsuk.com/greenhills/
Greenhills campsite: Those 3 nights would be £70 for 2 adults to camp or £83 for camper ...
So if you wanted to just ride then the pre-registration £55 is reasonable ... if you want to stay for the whole festival then it is very cheap.
I have never seen so much whining from people about something they don't want to participate in ... or do you want to do it and you are sore that you feel like you have been priced out of it?
Sorry for getting bogged down in that dispute, at least one other person was still reading the thread 
I am genuinely interested to know if it's possible to organize an event in the UK that follows a model more like RRVV. They get about 600 participants, this year it cost 20 euros, so the income from cyclists alone is around 12,000 euros.
How does that match up to the cost of organizing a decent sportive? With sponsorship and so on, would it be viable with those kinds of numbers? What does it cost with insurance, road closures and stuff like that? Could they even make a profit?
Or, as John Bishop would say, 'Is somebody somewhere getting a grant?'
The only thing I know is that there is the Centre for the Tour of Flanders, which presumably supports these events, but I don't know if they need them to be independently sustainable or if they support them financially.
I honestly have no idea, and would appreciate any answers anyone might have. It's not like I would want to do it myself but it would be interesting to know what the possibilities are - is this something that could become more popular in the UK?
Johnny
I am genuinely interested to know if it's possible to organize an event in the UK that follows a model more like RRVV. They get about 600 participants, this year it cost 20 euros, so the income from cyclists alone is around 12,000 euros.
How does that match up to the cost of organizing a decent sportive? With sponsorship and so on, would it be viable with those kinds of numbers? What does it cost with insurance, road closures and stuff like that? Could they even make a profit?
Or, as John Bishop would say, 'Is somebody somewhere getting a grant?'
The only thing I know is that there is the Centre for the Tour of Flanders, which presumably supports these events, but I don't know if they need them to be independently sustainable or if they support them financially.
I honestly have no idea, and would appreciate any answers anyone might have. It's not like I would want to do it myself but it would be interesting to know what the possibilities are - is this something that could become more popular in the UK?
Johnny
