Bike snobbery - or is it?

perry":zbb9xspw said:
20mins is the allocated time to assemble and pre delivery inspect a bike at you know where . It doesn't take into account the time your also spending making number plates , answering the phone to someone who wants an mot and fitting wiper blades . It wouldn't be so bad if they came from the factory in a half decent state , they might as well throw the parts in the box and leave it to whoever opens it to build from scratch .

People always think it's cycling elitism but nobody here will say you must spend x amount to get a good bike , sure there is a point where a bike stops being made from plastic and iron but you can easily spend your £100 on a 2nd hand bike that will be more than adequate and last more than the 6 months the bso will .

What always amused me was in that large store I don't mention all the advertising stuff like the signs posters etc come in boxes marked p.o.s . It stands for point of sale but every time I saw it I just thought piece of shit :LOL:

My first mtb was a townsend saratoga , I think it cost my mum all of £120 and it was still significantly better than the same priced bikes today ( lets ignore inflation ) it was just a normal rigid bike with cantis , I put that thing together myself and didn't have any more problems with it than if it had cost a bit more . I put it's durability down to it being so simple , nothing went wrong because there was nothing to go wrong . Look at a bso today and it's trying to be a boingy bike with discs . You have to be pretty fat in the head to see something with that kind of stuff at those kinds of prices and think " oh that will last " .

I think a lot of the hatred of bso's is not just the bikes but also that people will blindly wander into a shop with absolutely no idea of what they need or want . I've had conversations along the lines of -

" hello "
" I'd like to buy a bike "
" ok , er , what will you be using it for "
" I'm going to be riding to work "
" oh ( wanders towards the road bikes ) how about something like these "
" I don't like those , I want something that can go offroad "
" how about one of these hybrids , they use a 700c wheel from a road bike with a 32 tyre so it'll still ride over a bit of dirt "
" ha , I'm not having one of those , old people ride those "
" :roll: we do have these slick tyred mtb's , slightly different geometry but essentially still a mtb but for commuting use "
" that looks ok , how much is it ? "
" currently £280 "
" how much ! , I don't want to spend that , what about that red one over there , it's got £90 on the ticket "

The guy has obviously spotted the boingy bso :cry: at this point I'll either try and get someone else to take over as each time a little part of me dies or I'll " check the computer " and say we don't have any , saving the guy £90 on something completely unsuitable and only fit for weighing in and of course myself from having to unbox the fooking thing :LOL:

It's great that people want to cycle to work and It's something about cycling I love and believe in but when you throw some numbers around you really need to spend more than pocket change .

If someone want's a bike to ride say 5 miles to work , that's 10 miles a day , 50 miles a week , 200 a month . If we say that the bike will get 6 months of use that's 1200 miles . Divide the £100 bike over that 6 months gives us something like 8.3pence ( unless I'm being thick ) lets just say 10p a day . I would rather and think I would have a better time by pushing 10p up my bum each day . 10p a day for something to get you to work is incredibly cheap , we could bump that up to 50p a day which I don't think is an unreasonable amount for getting to work and back but try and tell someone that a bike under about £300 new is utter shite and they think your a cycle snob or elitist :(

The £500 work bike ( omg £500 ! ) will last a lot longer than 6 months , sure some stuff will be worn out but consumable stuff like tyres , cables , pads cost roughly the same whether it's a bso or something a little better . The £500 bike could reasonably last a year and a half , likely more and because it is made properly and can last the cost per mile wouldn't be far off that 10p a day in the end .
 
But that's the difference between being an 'enthusiast' and an ignoramus who thinks you're just trying to make money out of them.

One of my biggest pet-hates is parents buying (being allowed to buy...) a bike that is far too big for their sprog so that he /she can grow into it because it's expensive... :evil:
 
If a mechanic only has 20 minutes to assemble a bike then surely thats the same time for both good and bad bikes. A quickly assembled bike will return to the shop for fixes regardless of who the maker is as not enough time was spent setting them up !
 
snobbery only comes into it when a nasty remark is put forward,this can upset many,i have little spare cash at present so cannot afford a hei hei,so a cindercone will have to do.if someone slates my cheaper bike and im upset,ill politely tell them to ........................ ;)

i have full appreciation for all bikes,its down to budget and taste,everyone is different.i started out on a "bso" raced it successfully and upgraded my bikes as i could.my biggest laugh was wasting others on my cheap bike,up and down hills at newnham park. skills count for 3.4 imho. £50 shitters from tescos are just nasty tho,no snobbery,just fact. ;)
 
Not at all buying a BSO is a false economy.

Take this example.

I was in my LBS buying some service parts when a woman comes in with a childs bike which she said was purchased from Tescos, she said it had given them good service in the 9 months they had it until the saddle snapped clean off the top of the seat post!
Now 9 months is not good service, my eldest lads Raleigh Striker was used for 2 years and it's still good enough for his younger brother to have and a total dangerous failure just strikes of it being junk.
I could tell that they had heard it all before but I think they said they would repair it.
Question is should I have stepped in and told her my story? Yes the striker cost another £30 but I have not been back with it once and it will go on to serve a second child after some minor maintenance.

Carl.
 
If a mechanic only has 20 minutes to assemble a bike then surely thats the same time for both good and bad bikes.

A good bike doesn't take as long to assemble. Some are essentially fully set up and then partially dismantled to go in the box - the gears will work, the brakes will be lined up, and so on., With a BSO you could spend half an hour just fiddling with one brake in a futile effort to make it work.
 
Wouldn't call the Carrera my Eldest currently has a BSO but I refused the offer of Halfrauds to assemble it when I purchased it, after the smables with my Kula I just told them to give me the box.

Carl.
 
drcarlos":2l728dv1 said:
Wouldn't call the Carrera my Eldest currently has a BSO but I refused the offer of Halfrauds to assemble it when I purchased it, after the smables with my Kula I just told them to give me the box.

Carl.

Too right... ;)
 
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