true but have you forgotten where I live , hills are a strange and rare occurrence the locals fear and chase with pointy sticks 
I will probably get a fancy turbo trainer too and don't fancy the durability of a carbon bike on one , I had my lava dome on the turbo trainer a few years ago and even under light pedaling there was a noticeable flex , well I say flex , more like a sway
I think I would rather walk than own an alloy frame so that's a non starter and carbon doesn't inspire me with great confidence long term . I don't want to end up with 2 or more road bikes , I already own too many mtb's as it is and I'm thinking of a way to trim them down ( currently thinking of breaking the trailstar and firemountain and getting something lighter for the winter riding which is what those 2 have been used for ) I want something that can be bunged on a trainer but also nice , because I want something nice There is a silly amount of nice stuff kicking about the shop ( found a cut away hope hub in a pile of assorted crap ) . People who have their bikes worked on by shops would like to think that those people doing the work aren't spending their time riding the cheaper stuff . I always thought that was the whole point , the guy in the shop owns awesome stuff so your happy to have your not as awesome stuff worked on there . It's kinda like having your xtr groupset fitted by someone who only rides acera . Not terribly confidence inspiring . And it's one of the few perks of the job , it's not exactly a highly paid job but you get to buy stuff cheaper ( maybe not a great deal cheaper but )
I really like the idea of using a really nice old frameset ( when I have the money I see no problem in spending £500 or a bit more for a worthwhile frame ) but mostly new parts , if you don't just throw bits at the frame it should look sweet .
Another problem with carbon frames is they are always covered in writing and flashy graphics .
I will probably get a fancy turbo trainer too and don't fancy the durability of a carbon bike on one , I had my lava dome on the turbo trainer a few years ago and even under light pedaling there was a noticeable flex , well I say flex , more like a sway
I think I would rather walk than own an alloy frame so that's a non starter and carbon doesn't inspire me with great confidence long term . I don't want to end up with 2 or more road bikes , I already own too many mtb's as it is and I'm thinking of a way to trim them down ( currently thinking of breaking the trailstar and firemountain and getting something lighter for the winter riding which is what those 2 have been used for ) I want something that can be bunged on a trainer but also nice , because I want something nice
There is a silly amount of nice stuff kicking about the shop ( found a cut away hope hub in a pile of assorted crap ) . People who have their bikes worked on by shops would like to think that those people doing the work aren't spending their time riding the cheaper stuff . I always thought that was the whole point , the guy in the shop owns awesome stuff so your happy to have your not as awesome stuff worked on there . It's kinda like having your xtr groupset fitted by someone who only rides acera . Not terribly confidence inspiring . And it's one of the few perks of the job , it's not exactly a highly paid job but you get to buy stuff cheaper ( maybe not a great deal cheaper but ) I really like the idea of using a really nice old frameset ( when I have the money I see no problem in spending £500 or a bit more for a worthwhile frame ) but mostly new parts , if you don't just throw bits at the frame it should look sweet .
Another problem with carbon frames is they are always covered in writing and flashy graphics .
