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THM, having discussed this very subject with some of the MacRetro guys in the past, our use of colloquial Scots instead of "proper English" in the written word on the MacRetro forums does make us feel more at ease in our "ain midden" (own midden), not that you are not welcome to participate. When I write stuff on MacRetro I'm just writing it, in the most part anyway, how I'd speak to the guys face to face as Scots with our own way of speaking. Many of us are of the age that when we were bairns at primary and secondary school were told/made to talk "proper", we actually weren't allowed to use the words that we used everyday at home, at play, our language was not given any value.
Nearly all our teachers were middle class, people who we'd regard as being "posh" and because we talked differently from them marked us as being definitely "non-posh".
So if we write proper English as I am doing now it feels like, for example, when I'm on the phone to people I don't know or say a job interview, well it really feels like I'm putting on a posh accent. As I write in colloquial Scots on MacRetro I hear it like that in my head, but not all of it is easily written down how it sounds, phonetics might be taking it too far. :mrgreen:
THM, having discussed this very subject with some of the MacRetro guys in the past, our use of colloquial Scots instead of "proper English" in the written word on the MacRetro forums does make us feel more at ease in our "ain midden" (own midden), not that you are not welcome to participate. When I write stuff on MacRetro I'm just writing it, in the most part anyway, how I'd speak to the guys face to face as Scots with our own way of speaking. Many of us are of the age that when we were bairns at primary and secondary school were told/made to talk "proper", we actually weren't allowed to use the words that we used everyday at home, at play, our language was not given any value.
Nearly all our teachers were middle class, people who we'd regard as being "posh" and because we talked differently from them marked us as being definitely "non-posh".
So if we write proper English as I am doing now it feels like, for example, when I'm on the phone to people I don't know or say a job interview, well it really feels like I'm putting on a posh accent. As I write in colloquial Scots on MacRetro I hear it like that in my head, but not all of it is easily written down how it sounds, phonetics might be taking it too far. :mrgreen:
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Thanks for such an eloquent if sadly oppressed reply. It's a shame that you're colloquialisms weren't embraced. I myself am an 'English' teacher but concentrate on the creative and engaging rather than 'proper' English. If there is such a thing these days.
Hope nobody gets the mardis!
old_coyote_pedaller":dxr0abyn said:
Thanks for such an eloquent if sadly oppressed reply. It's a shame that you're colloquialisms weren't embraced. I myself am an 'English' teacher but concentrate on the creative and engaging rather than 'proper' English. If there is such a thing these days.
Hope nobody gets the mardis!
Bird fancier Jamie ? :?
(Drongo is actually one of our feathered friends.)
Today
Today, Today, Today
Well actually 3 days ago.
That elusive Hope 9:74 C2 caliper is mine Fantastic condition too.
This gives me all the calipers from 01-10 Plus the No2 version I.S.
Next task there is to get them all a uniform colour :? then mount them on a proper board as a proper display.
Ill lay out all the 1/2's along with a pro and sport levers, rear caliper half,adaptors and a rotor too.
Im also thinking of adding a quartz clock mechanism to the rotor because it gives it a use other than something to marvel at.
As a clock it can live and be useful. Otherwise it could eventually end up in the back of a cupboard.
(Drongo is actually one of our feathered friends.)
Today
Today, Today, Today Well actually 3 days ago.
That elusive Hope 9:74 C2 caliper is mine
Fantastic condition too.This gives me all the calipers from 01-10 Plus the No2 version I.S.
Next task there is to get them all a uniform colour :? then mount them on a proper board as a proper display.
Ill lay out all the 1/2's along with a pro and sport levers, rear caliper half,adaptors and a rotor too.
Im also thinking of adding a quartz clock mechanism to the rotor because it gives it a use other than something to marvel at.
As a clock it can live and be useful. Otherwise it could eventually end up in the back of a cupboard.
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I was down near Glasgow at a wedding last week... from the moment we checked into the hotel until the time we were heading back, I genuinely felt like I was in a foreign country. There was a noticeable pause between being asked a question and my answering it while I mentally attempted to translate the question into something vaguely akin to English!
Up here in the middle of the supposedly wild and remote Highlands, I suspect we generally speak English far more intelligibly than almost anywhere else in the UK.
Of course if you head further north into Caithness, down into Aberdeenshire, or even venture overseas to Orkney and Shetland, you may well need the services of a translator!
The History Man":3aeg48gk said:
I was down near Glasgow at a wedding last week... from the moment we checked into the hotel until the time we were heading back, I genuinely felt like I was in a foreign country. There was a noticeable pause between being asked a question and my answering it while I mentally attempted to translate the question into something vaguely akin to English!
Up here in the middle of the supposedly wild and remote Highlands, I suspect we generally speak English far more intelligibly than almost anywhere else in the UK.
Of course if you head further north into Caithness, down into Aberdeenshire, or even venture overseas to Orkney and Shetland, you may well need the services of a translator!
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I wouldn't say I felt oppressed as such but more resentful that the words we used were deemed to be of lesser value than the proper English spoken by most of the teachers. My 2 daughters are now living in a country where the richer, older language is all but gone due to lots of people now using an Amercanised/homogenised language. For instance, just one word, in the part of Scotland I come from the word for slippers is baffies, to my mind a brilliant sounding word, it even feels comfy. It's all but gone, only auld, crabbit people like me still use it. All over the UK it is the same, so many good, local words for things are just being lost, our language is all the poorer for losing these words.
On the other hand my working-class Scot's accent hasn't always been a disadvantage. I've been to North Wales a few times to rock-climb, once with my climbing mate and also with the Jacobite climbing club from Edinburgh. With my mate we went into pubs for a pint after climbing and the locals would start to speak in Welsh till they realised we were Scottish not English then they'd revert back to English. The trip down there to Llanberis with the Jacobites made me realise how much some of the Welsh dislike the English. We were in the pub one night and amongst the Jacobites there were a few English members and also some Scots with the posh Edinburgh accent that sounds so very English. Whenever the English guys or Edinburgh Scots with the affected posh accent went to the bar, they were ignored as soon as they spoke and the bar staff would serve someone else. It eventually twigged with them and it was us guys with the recognisable Scottish accents that got served no bother even though the bar staff knew we were with the "English" guys. :shock:
People may accuse us Scots of not liking the English, it's not really true, but funny as it was at the time what happened on the trip to Wales went too far. Been to Llanelli and Cardiff to play rugby and go to the Wales v Scotland games and never had any problem with the English guys in our rugby club so maybe it's just North Wales. :roll:
What are my marks out of ten for my grammar and spelling? :mrgreen:
The History Man":2og26bx0 said:
I wouldn't say I felt oppressed as such but more resentful that the words we used were deemed to be of lesser value than the proper English spoken by most of the teachers. My 2 daughters are now living in a country where the richer, older language is all but gone due to lots of people now using an Amercanised/homogenised language. For instance, just one word, in the part of Scotland I come from the word for slippers is baffies, to my mind a brilliant sounding word, it even feels comfy. It's all but gone, only auld, crabbit people like me still use it. All over the UK it is the same, so many good, local words for things are just being lost, our language is all the poorer for losing these words.
On the other hand my working-class Scot's accent hasn't always been a disadvantage. I've been to North Wales a few times to rock-climb, once with my climbing mate and also with the Jacobite climbing club from Edinburgh. With my mate we went into pubs for a pint after climbing and the locals would start to speak in Welsh till they realised we were Scottish not English then they'd revert back to English. The trip down there to Llanberis with the Jacobites made me realise how much some of the Welsh dislike the English. We were in the pub one night and amongst the Jacobites there were a few English members and also some Scots with the posh Edinburgh accent that sounds so very English. Whenever the English guys or Edinburgh Scots with the affected posh accent went to the bar, they were ignored as soon as they spoke and the bar staff would serve someone else. It eventually twigged with them and it was us guys with the recognisable Scottish accents that got served no bother even though the bar staff knew we were with the "English" guys. :shock:
People may accuse us Scots of not liking the English, it's not really true, but funny as it was at the time what happened on the trip to Wales went too far. Been to Llanelli and Cardiff to play rugby and go to the Wales v Scotland games and never had any problem with the English guys in our rugby club so maybe it's just North Wales. :roll:
What are my marks out of ten for my grammar and spelling? :mrgreen:
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I've never met your grammar.
I just like words, and the rich tapestry they can be used to weave, regardless of source. I remember huge arguments with my daughter concerning her usage of 'like' like.
I just like words, and the rich tapestry they can be used to weave, regardless of source. I remember huge arguments with my daughter concerning her usage of 'like' like.
