Why are mtb riders such wimps??

cchris2lou":3a5nr6ah said:
nothing wrong with riding in large groups on country roads , cars can wait . :cool:

lone cyclists i have no issue with, small groups who are sympathetic to other road users i will always thank as i pass. CLUB cyclists (around here especially) deserve to get flattened by a passing truck because they are, as a general rule a bunch of self centred, feckless morons who ought to have their nut-sacks smeared in pollen & nailed to the inside of a beehive :cool:
 
jamabikes":2bwn8ebh said:
riding on the pavement is very dangerous, imagine hitting a toddler at even 5 miles an hour on a bike. shudder. there will always be the one about "i only ride on the pavement when its empty" rubbish. what if someone gets out a car, or steps out of their house? there is no defence for an adult to ride on the pavement. if more adults ride on the road, the more kids will too.
I'm sorry, but this is rubbish. Cycling on pavements is officially encouraged, provided it is done safely.

All along the Brighton and Hove seafront, there is a cyclepath on the pavement. It was very expensive, and all funded with government grant. Cyclists bomb along inches from toddlers, other pedestrians, holidaymakers who don't know it is a cyclepath, etc. Maybe you would be horrified, but even the Conservative former Leader of the City Council describes it as "excellent".

Like all joint-use cycle/footpaths, pedestrians have right of way and cyclists have to cycle safely, slowing down and giving way to pedestrians who stray into the cyclepath (which is red). I personally find it slightly dangerous, but it works.

The trouble with this thread is that it confuses the issue by conflating two very different things - cycling dangerously and cycling on pavements. I think it's clearer to put it this way - cycling dangerously is against the law, irrespective of whether you do it on the road or on a pavement; whereas cycling safely and considerately is permitted, whether you do it on the road or on a pavement.

Not everybody knows that, but in fact Home Office guidance to Chief Constables says that, although cycling on pavements remains illegal, fixed penalty notices should apply only to irresponsible cycling. Cycling on a pavement in a safe and considerate fashion should not attract a fixed penalty notice, as the government considers it reasonable behaviour, especially where roads are busy or hazardous.

When I attended a meeting of the City Council's Local Access Forum, a Council official said that they had identified several miles of pavements that were considered suitable to be re-designated as joint-use cycle/footpaths. The only thing that was stopping them from re-designating those footpaths was the high cost of painting them and providing the waymarking, for which they had no budget.

Almost half of all motorists owns a bike, but very few of these bikes are used for commuting, or other journeys that would replace cars (or indeed at all). It would be greatly in the national interest for millions of motorists to use their bikes instead. It would reduce global warming, make us fitter and diminish the burden on the NHS, reduce congestion and pressure for costly road improvements. But the only way to achieve it is to make cycling safer so that people who currently find it too dangerous are encouraged to try it. That is why cycling safely on pavements is in fact a useful part of the way forward.

Yes, there might be some accidents, but how many people are killed or injured by bikes compared to the number killed or injured by cars? Reducing car use and increasing bike use would surely reduce the number of accidents overall.
 
mikee":56lbdtuw said:
I hate riding on the road, it's far too dangerous.
If I want to ride on the road I'll do it on one of a selection of high powered motorcycles I own and not a bloody push bike.
- Q.E.D.
 
sorry anthony i was specifically talking about riding on pavements, not dual use cycle/path ways. even then i teach kids that cycle paths aren't always the best option for a multitude of reasons.
 
As mentioned, i believe riding on the pavement is more dangerous than the road. Hazards are cars pulling out and into drives, having to cross roads where you have no right of way, pedestrians walking erratically and leaving shops, children, broken glass and debris, people not expecting your presence, animals - it's lethal. 
Hazards on road are traffic and errant pedestrians mainly - much less to watch out for and you have right of way as a normal road user. 

Some cycle paths round here stop at every road so you have to give way - much better to ride on the road and keep on rolling. 

Only time i've come off is on ice and cars behind me stopped. 
 
I'll jump on a pavement to get past queues of traffic or to get down one way streets or whatever but as a rule I ride on the road. Where I should.

Any adult on a bike on the pavement wants to have a good look at themselves imo. On the road and get stuck in.
 
Wasn't this subject kind of done to death in Earnies recent 'cycle path' thread during which everyone thoroughly misunderstood my motivation for posting the replies I did and painting me as some kind of anti-cycling knobhead?

Many seem to be taking the opposing view here to the one they did there??
 
What a load of rubbish some people speak! I cycle to work and back at all hours of the day because I work shifts, sometimes this means cycling home at midnight or 3am in the morning. On some stretches of my journey I will cycle on the pavement. It is safer on the pavement and to date I have yet to have an accident with a car, pedestrian of otherwise whilst on the pavement. Cars do not use pavements, cars, sometimes being driven by childish youths who think it is funny to hang out of their windows trying to swipe me as they go past or to launch things at me out of their windows do. Added to that there is much more chance of people driving on the roads whilst over the prescribed limit when I am on the roads at midnight or 3am so that makes the pavement a much more attractive proposition. Does that make me a wimp or stupid? No, it is sensible and logical. As long as cyclists are courteous and give way to pedestrians when on pavements I see no issue with it at all when on busy stretches of road. Oh and by the way, I am a police officer and support and agree with what Anthony says.

Trevor.
 
Anthony":3k293fip said:
Not everybody knows that, but in fact Home Office guidance to Chief Constables says that, although cycling on pavements remains illegal, fixed penalty notices should apply only to irresponsible cycling.
I'd imagine hardly anyone knows that. And why or how would they? It's either illegal=risk of fine or it's legal=please continue.

It's precisely this sort of fudged bullshit that helps nobody and leads to police and judges taking all kinds of different stances on more serious matters. Like shooting burglars for example.

It's just cycling ffs, it is OK or not to ride on a pavement? If police or the Home Office can't give a straight answer to that I give up.
 
With attitudes like that what hope have I got of teachings kids safe cycling. Just ride on the pavement and hope someone else doesn't make a mistake and wind up seriously injured or worse.
 

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