technodup":1n72tloe said:
I think you're overestimating the popularity of UKIP just slightly. Sure, a lot of their vote will be going blue but the bigger story is the red one. Or lack of red on the maps.brocklanders023":13fyepcy said:technodup":13fyepcy said:
Isn't it actually to collapse of ukip effect? Across the board according to that labour have dipped a bit but ukip have crashed with their share going Tory.
If you really must insist on blaming all the worlds ills on labour then at least rename it the brown/miliband/corbyn effect.
technodup":2xilq7js said:
technodup":1kn4lchq said:I think you're overestimating the popularity of UKIP just slightly. Sure, a lot of their vote will be going blue but the bigger story is the red one. Or lack of red on the maps.brocklanders023":1kn4lchq said:technodup":1kn4lchq said:
Isn't it actually to collapse of ukip effect? Across the board according to that labour have dipped a bit but ukip have crashed with their share going Tory.
If you really must insist on blaming all the worlds ills on labour then at least rename it the brown/miliband/corbyn effect.
I don't doubt all three have had a hand in Labour's demise, but it would seem Corbyn is the completely toxic one. In fact no, it's definitely Corbyn. Brown and Miliband had normal people on their front bench, Benn, Cooper, Burnham, Harman etc. I didn't agree with them but at least they weren't batshit mental like Abbott and Rayner.
Yep.brocklanders023":3rrr2qyo said:Have you even looked at the figures you linked?
technodup":1h11529t said:Yep.brocklanders023":1h11529t said:Have you even looked at the figures you linked?
Kid on it's about UKIP the no seat party if you like. The story on election night will be one of two things. A bona fide miracle or Labour haemorrhaging seats to the Tories. UKIP will be a sideshow.
Firstly they're not my figures. Secondly parliament is not based on percentage points gained or lost, what's important is how those movements translate into seats.brocklanders023":23qk3fpv said:Look at your figures, look at the labour % decrease, look at the ukip % decrease, look at the Tory increase. Your evidence does not back up your claim.