Who Will You Vote For In The Coming General Election?

[legrandefromage]

Oooh, yes PFI, get out of that one!

 

[al-onestare]

what i can trell you from a personal perspective is that the nhs is dying because of PFI, a new labour policy.

Tory idea and creation first executed in 92, Labour went full beans with it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_f ... evelopment

Anyone else :roll: at the result of the 2015 campaign expense investigation? Just remember to claim it was an admin error next time you add or remove a few 0's in your tax return.

While everyone wanks over the Labour DRAFT policy, let's just remember the haunted art gallery dealer is strong and stable. (Yes I know I posted this on the other thread).

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M91g4OlGEY[/youtube]

 

[torqueless]

Re:

The black comedy of PFI presented in a way that even I can understand..
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/PFI

 

[technodup]

[While everyone wanks over the Labour DRAFT policy,

It's a beautiful thing. Draft or no draft it's clearly the gist of his intended programme. So it gets leaked late at night which gives many of us a laugh. Then the next morning, on the way to a meeting about said manifesto/leak his car runs over a cameraman.

Throw in the Marxist shadow chancellor, the racist shadow home secretary who can't count and the wannabe education secretary with no A levels, never mind a degree.

You simply couldn't make it up. And I haven't even mentioned Thornberry, who thinks it's sexist to ask her questions abut foreign leaders. What with her being shadow foreign secretary and all.

Now people can dislike Tories, their positions and proposals but can they seriously expect people to vote for the alternative? Shambles doesn't even come close.

 

[al-onestare]

Now people can dislike Tories, their positions and proposals but can they seriously expect people to vote for the alternative? Shambles doesn't even come close.

As long as they are in charge then yes. And the same would be said if the shoe was on the other foot.

 

[technodup]

I didn't word that very well. I meant it's literally incredible that people will vote for Labour this time round.

I don't think he wants the job. Don't think he ever has tbh.

 

[torqueless]

Re:

I don't think he wants the job. Don't think he ever has tbh.

And that is his best qualification for the job.

Historically, in the Chinese civil service, the high position was given to the candidate that didn't want the job rather than the one that did, maybe because it was understood that corruption ensued from promoting avaricious ambitious careerists, and it was better to promote principled people who understood the onerous responsibilities.

Whatever one thinks of Corbyn, he has stuck to his principles through the lean decades of those avaricious ambitious careerists selling the commonweal down the river.

I find it highly ironic that on Retrobike of all places there are people who uncritically follow the latest tabloid headline line that it is somehow funny or fantastic to 'return to the seventies', with the implication that it is some kind of lunacy to suggest running the national infrastructure and utilities, at a loss, if necessary, in the public service- that PFI is the saner and more responsible alternative??

Having said that, I am not naive enough to believe that any re-nationalisation could be attempted without the Tories, vested interests, free market ideologues and other pocket-liners selfishly sabotaging the initiative by any means at their disposal.

 

[Mr. Bleak]

Then the next morning, on the way to a meeting about said manifesto/leak his car runs over a cameraman.

Absolute piss poor reporting at it's finest, and I'm not talking about the sheep/dog "story" at the top of the Daily Fail. :facepalm:

Yes, it was actually Corbyn driving over the cameraman's foot.

the horror... :shock:

 

[technodup]

Re: Re:

I don't think he wants the job. Don't think he ever has tbh.

And that is his best qualification for the job.

I find it highly ironic that on Retrobike of all places there are people who uncritically follow the latest tabloid headline line that it is somehow funny or fantastic to 'return to the seventies', with the implication that it is some kind of lunacy to suggest running the national infrastructure and utilities, at a loss, if necessary, in the public service-

I get the idea about not wanting it. I'd suggest that one of the reasons he never has is he's smart enough to know he's not smart enough to do it.

I'm not uncritical of anyone, far less the Tories. I don't like her energy cap, don't see any point in raising foxhunting again, want them to reduce taxes and reduce spending, and I don't think May's particularly charismatic.

But people remember the 70s. They remember high taxes, IMF bailouts, manky old BR trains, strikes, 3 day weeks, blackouts, bins unemptied, corpses unburied and unions trying to unseat governments. ANY suggestion (and there are a LOT of them in Corby's plan) of taking us back to those days is I think going to be met with horror by anyone who was there.

I don't know why I'm bothering tbh, the argument has been won. Britain doesn't elect left wing governments.

And BTW as for his principles, he's anti EU but pro Remain. He's anti Trident but has renewal in his manifesto. He's welcomed all sorts of terrorists he now seeks to distance himself from. Principled my arse.

 

[mrkawasaki]

Will probably be a conscientious abstainer this time around - wasn't a poll option interestingly. I'm largely comfortable with my consistent left-of-centre voting since the beginning of the 80's, having being fortunate enough to come through tertiary education when it was de riguer to be CND/antifascist and of a questioning mindset. I say 'comfortable' - now I feel cast aside and sneered within my own extended family and elsewhere for being an example of a 'liberal elite' - not just through the fiasco of the referendum but also through the internecine wranglings of the Labour party power struggle. That I am left without a credible opposition at this time (within the two horse ruleset) is both a shock and a disgrace. The leadership of the Labour party as it goes into this election doesn't really want my vote - they nor the legion of new digital members have not been seen in my local streets, once a stronghold - so good luck to them. 'For the many' - a slogan that I'm already sick of hearing due to clumsy overuse - implies a strategy that is intent of appealing to/representing a majority. How does that sit with turning off/away the so-called 'liberal elite'/New Labour voters of years gone by? Friends say 'vote for the policies' not the characters/leadership/power struggle. Here's the thing - I castigate/d all who voted for Brexit when they clearly were given not tangible or reasonable evidence of how it would pan out (as is illustrated daily). If I were to vote Labour or any strategic alliance I would be doing the same thing - just tapping into some emotive socialist-leaning empathy I've always had, without any reasonable assurance of what to expect, just to bash the other lot.

I'm not going to be a Tory-apologist either, but whilst I'm typing, I am at ease with the calling of this snap election and the country validating the PM - if only Blair and Brown had the decency and respect to ask the electorate back in June 2007.