Who Will You Vote For In The Coming General Election?
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technodup
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Why do you think it's acceptable for the state to forcibly take more than half of someone's hard earned? We should be combining NI and IT and seeing exactly what rate we're paying. No more smoke and mirrors. But over half is immoral.
And as for corporation tax, corporations don't pay tax, people do. Any increase in CT simply gets passed on to the consumer. e.g. the hardworkingfamilies you want to protect.
We really need to look at this from first principles imo. What do we actually need? What is merely desirable? What is the icing on the cake? And how much are we prepared to pay for it?
There's a huge disconnect between what we expect and who we think should pay for it.
If we're still talking health tourism then I completely agree. I'm waiting for an MRI just now, I was booked in privately but as the NHS said 6 weeks I decided to wait and save £700. If the option was there to go 'NHS express' for £400 I'd have been all over it. More money for them, more speed for me.videojetman":33xnmsb5 said:
Aye, all those rich bastards in ex council houses which happen to have passed the £325k mark. IHT is a disgrace of a tax and should be abolished altogether. The original concept was to hit the rich but now it hits almost anyone who owns a house. The filthy bourgeoisie scum.Harryburgundy":33xnmsb5 said:
Why do you think it's acceptable for the state to forcibly take more than half of someone's hard earned? We should be combining NI and IT and seeing exactly what rate we're paying. No more smoke and mirrors. But over half is immoral.
And as for corporation tax, corporations don't pay tax, people do. Any increase in CT simply gets passed on to the consumer. e.g. the hardworkingfamilies you want to protect.
We really need to look at this from first principles imo. What do we actually need? What is merely desirable? What is the icing on the cake? And how much are we prepared to pay for it?
There's a huge disconnect between what we expect and who we think should pay for it.
yorkie1956
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Diane Abbott's LBC Policing interview.. Wow, what a crap advert for Labour, and her timing! choice as ever.
A terrible shame that the profession of politician requires absolutely no qualifications whatsoever. And it showed.
Out of touch, incompetent. Our Shadow Home Secretary seems to have the lot. Government, or individual, if you can't handle your finances and you don't know what things cost, your done. A shame Spitting Image is no longer around, they would have had proper mileage out of Ms Abbott.
Diane Abbott's LBC Policing interview.. Wow, what a crap advert for Labour, and her timing! choice as ever.
A terrible shame that the profession of politician requires absolutely no qualifications whatsoever. And it showed.
Out of touch, incompetent. Our Shadow Home Secretary seems to have the lot. Government, or individual, if you can't handle your finances and you don't know what things cost, your done. A shame Spitting Image is no longer around, they would have had proper mileage out of Ms Abbott.
torqueless
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I'm only down here 'cause it is so slow up there..
I'd consider voting for anyone who demonstrates the ability to do some holistic joined-up thinking, and talking, in the public service... which is not going to happen.
..and that is why I will not be voting.
For example, every politico blathers on about the NHS, but none of them (publicly) ask the pertinent question of how and why we all got so sick and/or accident-prone in the first place?
Every politico blathers on about 'economic growth', but none of them will (publicly) admit that promoting an ideology of continuous growth- and putting it into practice- on a finite planet is absurd, not to mention suicidal, (plus v.bad for your health..)
If the real issues could be laid bare, the primary-coloured mystifying soundbites would quickly reveal their utter foolishness, hypocrisy and emptiness. As things stand, 'voting' is an euphemism for: 'helping to choose which shovel we use to dig ourselves out of the ditch...'
Most kids know this instinctively, which is why they get labelled as 'politically disengaged', or, if they do get politically engaged- engaged beyond meekly parroting the usual mainstream mumbo-jumbo, then they've been 'radicalised'. They cannot win. Notice how 'radical' has become a dirty word? it once meant 'exploring the roots of things'..
I'm only down here 'cause it is so slow up there..
I'd consider voting for anyone who demonstrates the ability to do some holistic joined-up thinking, and talking, in the public service... which is not going to happen.
..and that is why I will not be voting.
For example, every politico blathers on about the NHS, but none of them (publicly) ask the pertinent question of how and why we all got so sick and/or accident-prone in the first place?
Every politico blathers on about 'economic growth', but none of them will (publicly) admit that promoting an ideology of continuous growth- and putting it into practice- on a finite planet is absurd, not to mention suicidal, (plus v.bad for your health..)
If the real issues could be laid bare, the primary-coloured mystifying soundbites would quickly reveal their utter foolishness, hypocrisy and emptiness. As things stand, 'voting' is an euphemism for: 'helping to choose which shovel we use to dig ourselves out of the ditch...'
Most kids know this instinctively, which is why they get labelled as 'politically disengaged', or, if they do get politically engaged- engaged beyond meekly parroting the usual mainstream mumbo-jumbo, then they've been 'radicalised'. They cannot win. Notice how 'radical' has become a dirty word? it once meant 'exploring the roots of things'..
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I pay my taxes, I do my work, my income goes up it goes down, I make do and mend. I've just heard Tim Farren fluff up on PM and along with labour's queen arsehat, I can not bring myself to vote for anyone associated with the current party leaders.
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I wonder if wiping my arse with my voting slip will count for anything?
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Is your MP is called Brown ?legrandefromage":8r76yg16 said:
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Many good points and largely I agree.
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Many good points and largely I agree.
torqueless
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Well yeah, if I was voting then given the option, the Green candidate would probably get my vote. As an aside, I'd say that any system which allows for the possibility of 'tactical' voting is either 'poorly designed' or 'rigged', depending on your faith in the sincerity of those who hold up 'representative democracy' as the best available model for enacting 'the will of the people'.
In terms of working (at a snail's pace) towards abstract human ideals like 'equality','freedom', 'justice', and 'sustainability', the Greens have the right ideas. I expect movement towards those ideals to be stymied at every turn by their own (and everybody elses) unenlightened self-interest and passive acquiescence to equally abstract 'market forces'. Back in '73, when the Greens were a fledgling movement, we all bought loose vegetables as a matter of course, and took a 'shopping bag' with us to put them in. Contrast that to now. That is just one small example of nearly half a century of 'progress' in the wrong direction, and we pat ourselves on the back for our little gestures towards reversing it..
Well yeah, if I was voting then given the option, the Green candidate would probably get my vote. As an aside, I'd say that any system which allows for the possibility of 'tactical' voting is either 'poorly designed' or 'rigged', depending on your faith in the sincerity of those who hold up 'representative democracy' as the best available model for enacting 'the will of the people'.
In terms of working (at a snail's pace) towards abstract human ideals like 'equality','freedom', 'justice', and 'sustainability', the Greens have the right ideas. I expect movement towards those ideals to be stymied at every turn by their own (and everybody elses) unenlightened self-interest and passive acquiescence to equally abstract 'market forces'. Back in '73, when the Greens were a fledgling movement, we all bought loose vegetables as a matter of course, and took a 'shopping bag' with us to put them in. Contrast that to now. That is just one small example of nearly half a century of 'progress' in the wrong direction, and we pat ourselves on the back for our little gestures towards reversing it..
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