Muddy paw":20rj8m81 said:@mkone .
i use to love the old stretched out racing position back in the day but now my back won't take it as much otherwise i'd still be setting the bikes up like that ..
im the same, and find myself using shorter stems nowadays. Some i still set up long but i cant ride them for long, oh the joy of oldness :roll: my marin has a 22" tt which is too long even for short rides, no matter how much i like the bike its just not as much fun anymore.