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We had a b&w picture of a car and were happy with that
Those ****** at VAG!
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highlandsflyer
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This is a bit of a stinker by VW, but at the end of the day a lot of cars are very efficient now, and generally modern cars are incredibly reliable. We truly live in the golden age of steam.
This is a bit of a stinker by VW, but at the end of the day a lot of cars are very efficient now, and generally modern cars are incredibly reliable. We truly live in the golden age of steam.
VAG have just announced that this event does involve diesel cars also sold in Europe which is peculiar.
Despite the states being one of the planets largest polluters, they also have one of the highest standards required for vehicle emissions. What is worrying is that Europe's emissions are far lower than the states but yet VAG still felt the need to fiddle the emissions on those diesel cars sold in Europe
Then today also it has been announced there is to be a class action against VAG in Britain, which as most Brits know is a rare thing.
The third worry is, if VAG took the country of sales emission standards as an automatic rule to be broken, what pollutant standards were they breaking in countries with incredibly low levels ?
Despite the states being one of the planets largest polluters, they also have one of the highest standards required for vehicle emissions. What is worrying is that Europe's emissions are far lower than the states but yet VAG still felt the need to fiddle the emissions on those diesel cars sold in Europe
Then today also it has been announced there is to be a class action against VAG in Britain, which as most Brits know is a rare thing.
The third worry is, if VAG took the country of sales emission standards as an automatic rule to be broken, what pollutant standards were they breaking in countries with incredibly low levels ?
Very peculiar, seeing as the European tests and limits are completely different, as is the test protocol for homolgation, and don't involve in use testing, just jamming a probe up the tail pipe.KDM":akvil2o4 said:
I suspect there is a different cheat they are using in the EU.
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thoroughly anecdotal: bmw used to disconnect the alternator during testing...
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Please can someone explain the Euro 5 and 6 standards to me because I find them rather confusing. From the info I've read it seems that all new cars must meet these standards, Euro 6 as of september 1st this year. The Euro 5 and 6 standards state 1g/km of CO2 for a petrol car and 0.5g/km for diesel. This makes no sense to me as cars are typically 10's or 100's of g/km. I also found info stating that it was infact 130g/km, but you can still buy larger engined cars that exceed that limit. I then found a statement saying that each manufacturer’s range must on average emit no more than 130g/km. Is that the case? How do Mclarren sell cars? Are Ferraris and Fiats both considered to be in the same manufacturer's range? :?
I've also just been looking at the CO2 emmisions for some of these hybrid super cars. Laferrari 330g/km, Mclarren P1 194g/km, Porsche 918 70g/km and the BMW I8 49g/km. Really??? Are they starting the test with a fully charged battery and ending the test with it flat? It really demonstrates the inadequacy of the testing if it will allow a car with a 600hp petrol engine to be sold and taxed on the basis that it outputs 70g/km but then, I'd guess, emitts an order of magnitude higher than that if the driver puts his foot down.
Please can someone explain the Euro 5 and 6 standards to me because I find them rather confusing. From the info I've read it seems that all new cars must meet these standards, Euro 6 as of september 1st this year. The Euro 5 and 6 standards state 1g/km of CO2 for a petrol car and 0.5g/km for diesel. This makes no sense to me as cars are typically 10's or 100's of g/km. I also found info stating that it was infact 130g/km, but you can still buy larger engined cars that exceed that limit. I then found a statement saying that each manufacturer’s range must on average emit no more than 130g/km. Is that the case? How do Mclarren sell cars? Are Ferraris and Fiats both considered to be in the same manufacturer's range? :?
I've also just been looking at the CO2 emmisions for some of these hybrid super cars. Laferrari 330g/km, Mclarren P1 194g/km, Porsche 918 70g/km and the BMW I8 49g/km. Really??? Are they starting the test with a fully charged battery and ending the test with it flat? It really demonstrates the inadequacy of the testing if it will allow a car with a 600hp petrol engine to be sold and taxed on the basis that it outputs 70g/km but then, I'd guess, emitts an order of magnitude higher than that if the driver puts his foot down.
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