The stiff upper lip

If people keep to a regular ' same strength' fix there are few problems, the reason most heroin users get into trouble is not knowing the real srength and quality of the heroin and the other poisoness crap that it is cut with, pure heroin is a lot safer if taken at the right dosage for that individual.
 
1duck":20ta55rw said:
Yeah but how many heroin addicts are there compared to cigarette smokers? If they legalised it tomorrow it could go one of two ways...either we'd have people dying in the streets or more likely it would be like the clinics in switzerland and the people would know where they could get a clean fix with no need to get involved in criminality.

Could do however generally speaking it's the Nicotine addiction and the way it re configures your brain especially in younger people by creating loads more receptors/contacts that cause addictive behaviours.
Having all the extra receptors are what gives a smoker the bigger 'buzz' feeling as the dopamine drops into their system.
You rarely see 'substance abusers' who do not/ did not start out smoking...that's not to say all smokers will become drug addicts other than the obvious Nicotine addiction.
 
chambo34":thx09n84 said:
1duck":thx09n84 said:
Yeah but how many heroin addicts are there compared to cigarette smokers? If they legalised it tomorrow it could go one of two ways...either we'd have people dying in the streets or more likely it would be like the clinics in switzerland and the people would know where they could get a clean fix with no need to get involved in criminality.

Could do however generally speaking it's the Nicotine addiction and the way it re configures your brain especially in younger people by creating loads more receptors/contacts that cause addictive behaviours.
Having all the extra receptors are what gives a smoker the bigger 'buzz' feeling as the dopamine drops into their system.
You rarely see 'substance abusers' who do not/ did not start out smoking...that's not to say all smokers will become drug addicts other than the obvious Nicotine addiction.

And hence the tactic of targeting young smokers, don't create the smokers in the first place then it will be all out war on the adults as adults have no acts of parliament protecting them from abuse, that is if the government is sincere in it's wish to stop people smoking which I somehow doubt.

But the question is, how is the treasury going to replace the lost revenue it is currently getting, what thing do we use will be hit by more tax or indeed tax where it was not taxed before ?

Now some might think me kind of negative, but it is my feeling that this country puts money and wealth generation before people and their care, so I can't help but be cynical when it comes to anything those in power do.
 
"And hence the tactic of targeting young smokers, don't create the smokers in the first place then it will be all out war on the adults as adults have no acts of parliament protecting them from abuse, that is if the government is sincere in it's wish to stop people smoking which I somehow doubt."

Yes tried and tested it works easy as, with children it is easy they watch their parents, see cool images of cartoon characters, pop idols, super models etc, with 'adults' it's not so easy generally they know whats good and bad for them.....generally!

"But the question is, how is the treasury going to replace the lost revenue it is currently getting, what thing do we use will be hit by more tax or indeed tax where it was not taxed before ?"

the cost of treatment outweighs the cost of revenue gained period!
Now in the past I'd guess that the treatment cost less than revenue gained after all there is at least 30% less smokers than in the 1970's.
Approximately 2/3 of hand rolled tobacco is now smuggled into the country avoiding tax, sad thing is by avoiding tax smokers (who are generally though not always what is classed as routine & manual) are shortchanging a system they will undoubtedly need later in life for themselves their parents, their children...rich folk are insulated through private pensions, porivate health care/ care homes and education.

"Now some might think me kind of negative, but it is my feeling that this country puts money and wealth generation before people and their care, so I can't help but be cynical when it comes to anything those in power do."

I probably agree with you on that, in the last 20 years all governments have been the same, just different names, they all attend the same schools/ universities, same investments etc, etc all cack in the same pot!
 
And so a thread about "The Stiff Upper Lip" becomes one about those not possessed of one, a backbone,, or any moral fibre whatsoever.
They should pull themselves together and knuckle down!
 
greenstiles":j1g3t1n0 said:
If people keep to a regular ' same strength' fix there are few problems, the reason most heroin users get into trouble is not knowing the real srength and quality of the heroin and the other poisoness crap that it is cut with, pure heroin is a lot safer if taken at the right dosage for that individual.

Seeing those swiss clinics on the telly, its funny to see pure farmaceutical grade heroin...producing a nice clean clear liquid compared to street smack that created a horrible brown tarry looking liquid.
 
1duck":ux9he2fv said:
greenstiles":ux9he2fv said:
If people keep to a regular ' same strength' fix there are few problems, the reason most heroin users get into trouble is not knowing the real srength and quality of the heroin and the other poisoness crap that it is cut with, pure heroin is a lot safer if taken at the right dosage for that individual.

Seeing those swiss clinics on the telly, its funny to see pure farmaceutical grade heroin...producing a nice clean clear liquid compared to street smack that created a horrible brown tarry looking liquid.

That's what money creates, but why was it we have troops fighting in Afghanistan, where the squaddies are ordered not to destroy the poppy fields when they find them, something about not depriving the nationals of their sole crop or other such guff.
 
silverclaws":1w900hfy said:
1duck":1w900hfy said:
greenstiles":1w900hfy said:
If people keep to a regular ' same strength' fix there are few problems, the reason most heroin users get into trouble is not knowing the real srength and quality of the heroin and the other poisoness crap that it is cut with, pure heroin is a lot safer if taken at the right dosage for that individual.

Seeing those swiss clinics on the telly, its funny to see pure farmaceutical grade heroin...producing a nice clean clear liquid compared to street smack that created a horrible brown tarry looking liquid.

That's what money creates, but why was it we have troops fighting in Afghanistan, where the squaddies are ordered not to destroy the poppy fields when they find them, something about not depriving the nationals of their sole crop or other such guff.

The main reason for not disturbing the opium poppies crop is to keep the support of the locals on which the stability of the area relies upon.
Under the Taliban poppy growing and opium production was banned.The last thing the coalition needs is to lose support from these people,so they turn a blind eye.
You'll like this SC
http://web.hevra.haifa.ac.il/~ch-strate ... uction.pdf
 
We could buy the crops and use it for the pharmaceuticals that are opiate based, but instead we fund australian farmers with special licences to produce our opium. We should just tell the australians to grow something else, like sheep for instance...furry sheep trees as far as the eye can see.

It would also result in less stoned wallabies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8118257.stm
 
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