The economy and all that ?

[Neil]

I frankly get a bit sick of people who demand a better NHS and yet simultaneously complain about taxation.

That does rather assume that all the issues with these services are purely due to funding, though.

That said, I'm far from convinced that running all the public services like businesses has been a good thing. There was a fallacy of the occluded middle in all of that - the only choices weren't old, out-of-date public services, with waste, red-tape, and antiquated practices - or streamlined business - they could have benefited from principles from business and the private sector without having to become dominated and purely focussed on them.

 

[tintin40]

Bore off - this is a cycling forum!

Off-topic has been refreshingly free of this kind dogma for some time.

Well everybody has an opinion - but you don't have to read it, if it doesn't interest you.

Agree. Plus this is the 'off topic' so not cycling area?

 

[hamster]

I frankly get a bit sick of people who demand a better NHS and yet simultaneously complain about taxation.

That does rather assume that all the issues with these services are purely due to funding, though.

Neil: too true, I absolutely agree!

My wife worked in the NHS and Social Services, and had basically never touched a computer until we got one at home. :roll:

 

[silverclaws]

To the offensive and incorrect

General & Off Topic Chat
Forum for discussing anything non-bike related you fancy. Keep it clean.

Notice; anything non-bike related.

And further notice; Keep it clean.

But it is simple, the conversation does not interest you pass on by, you just do not need to comment, so please leave the thread for those who wish to engage in civil conversation on what could be in reality; a question many are asking because they are not sure about the answer either.

 

[drystonepaul]

Let's try to keep things civil here gentlemen.
There's no need to throw insults around unless it's just a tactic to get a thread locked.

It's an interesting question. I read recently that on the Greek Island of Karpathos the dire economic climate out there has prompted the resurgence of a thriving barter economy.

Perhaps it's an indication that the established fiscal economy doesn't really serve the fundamental requirements of life anymore and that people can, when pressed, live without the constraints of money.

Sounds highly idealistic in far from ideal conditions, but I think that many perceive the current financial institutions and governments as self serving rather than serving the people.
And look where that has brought us.

 

[Ernie]

online dictionary for the word "economy" http://www.oxfordadvancedlearnersdictio ... ry/economy


It serves us all..i go to work..i earn money..i spend money..the more money that is spent the quicker the economy grows or more demand..more demand means more output..more output means more jobs..the question is its the living beyond "your" means..banks getting greedy loaning out money to people who cant pay it back..some people cant manage money..no responsible lending..you can see what happened in 2007 to now :roll:

Sliverclaws that my understanding of economy

Ernie

 

[Ernie]

Perhaps it indicates I cannot be arsed answering a question the asker cannot be arsed giving their own take on.

Tit.

Not sure there's any need for that.

I think it's a reasonably interesting question, and posing it, and hopefully prompting a discussion, doesn't require the OP give chapter and verse, first - often that just sets an agenda.

He states his opinion first, it colours a debate. He poses an open question, he gets people who care about the question to contribute Frank and Ernest (obscure SLJ gag) responses.

If you didn't like what he was asking, or the way he was asking, you didn't need to jump on it.

As to the original question, as to who it serves, well I'd say it serves those with the wherewithal to do well from it (either existing money, investment, business interests, business, or nous to profit from it). For those without such a position, in recent times, I'd say it's more a cost - albeit, perhaps an essential one for the country. I think the banking and financial sectors, though, could do with some reform, and / or a tougher standpoint by the gummint - oh and not meddling with it for pure politics reasons.

As to who it should serve, well that's more a political standpoint, isn't it?

+1 no need for that bud..it was a fair off topic question..we are all grown ups here

Ernie

 

[clockworkgazz]

Let's try to keep things civil here gentlemen.
There's no need to throw insults around unless it's just a tactic to get a thread locked.

It's an interesting question. I read recently that on the Greek Island of Karpathos the dire economic climate out there has prompted the resurgence of a thriving barter economy.

Perhaps it's an indication that the established fiscal economy doesn't really serve the fundamental requirements of life anymore and that people can, when pressed, live without the constraints of money.

Sounds highly idealistic in far from ideal conditions, but I think that many perceive the current financial institutions and governments as self serving rather than serving the people.
And look where that has brought us.

I had read that one of the reasons Greece was in such a poor state was that a very large percentage of working people either did not pay taxes, either by being self employed (and being a bit waaaaaay a bit woooo) or it was a black market economy type thing already- going to a barter system is not going to help them out of the hole they seem to have got themself in.

 

[al]

My missus is an accountant with a degree in economics etc...

She's tried explaining bits of how the money world works but I ain't got a snowballs! and more impotantly I don't give a rats ass!!

I just want to sing show tunes and dance, dance, dance.


"I could have daaaanced aaaaaaall niiiiight"


al.

 

[Neil]

My missus is an accountant with a degree in economics etc...

She's tried explaining bits of how the money world works but I ain't got a snowballs! and more impotantly I don't give a rats ass!!

I just want to sing show tunes and dance, dance, dance.


"I could have daaaanced aaaaaaall niiiiight"

My Fair Lady?