State of the industry: a running thread

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A strange business model - expensive and desposable. I get cheap and desposable, Primark style, but I can't see how expensive and desposable could possibly work. Can you imagine that in the watch industry?
 
Mobile phones morelike?

Or a bit like like a luxury car.
Look at the owners of 20year old range rovers, jags and the like.
Not the characters the brands intended.
So the industry doesn't want the high end stuff end up under the ar5es of the economically challenged.
Suits them to have a push fit bb that your can hear coming from outer space, or make it a 2 hour job to change one headset bearing, or "that component is 3 iterations old.. " i quote specialized telling me that our customer couldn't replace the fork on his 5yo s-works carbon racer (it had a size- specific crown race seat height!)
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There are still plenty of good bikes out there, but they don't dominate the media like the 5k showpieces
 
" bikeworkshop " wrote...
" There are still plenty of good bikes out there, but they don't dominate the media like the 5k showpieces "


Please have a look at George Vargas' channel on Youtube for a perfect demonstration of the problems of the bike industry ( the clip will make you chuckle too )
EDIT: mute first and then check the volume



 
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Agency_Scum said:
" bikeworkshop " wrote...
" There are still plenty of good bikes out there, but they don't dominate the media like the 5k showpieces "


Please have a look at George Vargas' channel on Youtube for a perfect demonstration of the problems of the bike industry ( the clip will make you chuckle too )
EDIT: mute first and then check the volume



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Very interesting video and a good watch!

Kyle
 
Rim brakes are just really big disc brakes, so makes sense that in dry conditions they'd perform well.

I can't see much advantage having discs on road bikes. The rim brakes seemed adequate for the task and some of the designs made some clean looking frames.

They make more sense on MTBs where there's more chance of the brake surface getting contaminated with mud.
 
The 'discs must be better because they're discs' thing is what sums up the whole industry and is something akin to the mid 1990's frenzy when boutique verses the big man happened - albeit on a smaller scale as the world population was nearly some 2 billion less. Less internet too and only a few magazines and celebrities to hype things up

Now the frenzy is on a vast, vast scale in which internet influencers can get their opinions out first before products' release and which tribe of followers nail their colours to what mast first. Instant gratification from videos of unboxing, baseless product tests, pointless comparisons between H, X & Y. Heck, I've even noticed a 'new' trend for bigger ******* chainrings for christ sake...

The cycle of repetition has got shorter and shorter, products and lifespan can be measured in months. The re-invention of absolutely everything could only be repeated so many times before it failed and failed it has

It has harmed a once green and environmentally friendly mode of transport. Green washing of e-bikes as saviours of the world because its one less car journey - yet most still have their cars and will drive the bloody things to a bikepark so they can ride the damn things for 5 minutes.

The media's absolute hatred of cyclists has been spun up into hysteria by whats left of a dying print industry, bleeding into the soshul medyas, picking the scabs off some old forgotten incident and making any cyclist a killer of roolz and people no matter what the actual statistics may give as evidence to the contrary. The whole thing has been polarized into something unrecognisable from barely 20 years ago

It breaks my heart. I used to love cycling, I loved the magazines and the ride stories, getting excited because product X was genuinely better than the previous. I loved mixing and matching parts to suit my needs or budget. I once loved Retrobike for 'the bants, innit', the rides and the fact that we could all look each other in the eye and call someone a twat. Things change and things come and go but, really, really, not always for the better.
 
legrandefromage said:
The 'discs must be better because they're discs' thing is what sums up the whole industry and is something akin to the mid 1990's frenzy when boutique verses the big man happened - albeit on a smaller scale as the world population was nearly some 2 billion less. Less internet too and only a few magazines and celebrities to hype things up

Now the frenzy is on a vast, vast scale in which internet influencers can get their opinions out first before products' release and which tribe of followers nail their colours to what mast first. Instant gratification from videos of unboxing, baseless product tests, pointless comparisons between H, X & Y. Heck, I've even noticed a 'new' trend for bigger ******* chainrings for christ sake...

The cycle of repetition has got shorter and shorter, products and lifespan can be measured in months. The re-invention of absolutely everything could only be repeated so many times before it failed and failed it has

It has harmed a once green and environmentally friendly mode of transport. Green washing of e-bikes as saviours of the world because its one less car journey - yet most still have their cars and will drive the bloody things to a bikepark so they can ride the damn things for 5 minutes.

The media's absolute hatred of cyclists has been spun up into hysteria by whats left of a dying print industry, bleeding into the soshul medyas, picking the scabs off some old forgotten incident and making any cyclist a killer of roolz and people no matter what the actual statistics may give as evidence to the contrary. The whole thing has been polarized into something unrecognisable from barely 20 years ago

It breaks my heart. I used to love cycling, I loved the magazines and the ride stories, getting excited because product X was genuinely better than the previous. I loved mixing and matching parts to suit my needs or budget. I once loved Retrobike for 'the bants, innit', the rides and the fact that we could all look each other in the eye and call someone a twat. Things change and things come and go but, really, really, not always for the better.
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What's the short version, or TL : DR as they call it.?
 
legrandefromage said:
The 'discs must be better because they're discs' thing is what sums up the whole industry and is something akin to the mid 1990's frenzy when boutique verses the big man happened - albeit on a smaller scale as the world population was nearly some 2 billion less. Less internet too and only a few magazines and celebrities to hype things up

Now the frenzy is on a vast, vast scale in which internet influencers can get their opinions out first before products' release and which tribe of followers nail their colours to what mast first. Instant gratification from videos of unboxing, baseless product tests, pointless comparisons between H, X & Y. Heck, I've even noticed a 'new' trend for bigger ******* chainrings for christ sake...

The cycle of repetition has got shorter and shorter, products and lifespan can be measured in months. The re-invention of absolutely everything could only be repeated so many times before it failed and failed it has

It has harmed a once green and environmentally friendly mode of transport. Green washing of e-bikes as saviours of the world because its one less car journey - yet most still have their cars and will drive the bloody things to a bikepark so they can ride the damn things for 5 minutes.

The media's absolute hatred of cyclists has been spun up into hysteria by whats left of a dying print industry, bleeding into the soshul medyas, picking the scabs off some old forgotten incident and making any cyclist a killer of roolz and people no matter what the actual statistics may give as evidence to the contrary. The whole thing has been polarized into something unrecognisable from barely 20 years ago

It breaks my heart. I used to love cycling, I loved the magazines and the ride stories, getting excited because product X was genuinely better than the previous. I loved mixing and matching parts to suit my needs or budget. I once loved Retrobike for 'the bants, innit', the rides and the fact that we could all look each other in the eye and call someone a twat. Things change and things come and go but, really, really, not always for the better.
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