retro bikes to avoid

[gibbleking]

vfm is the most subjective part of our habit.spending a fortune on a rear mech gives value in otherways then just riding....us garage queens are always gazing at ones loved other half, admiring its beutiful lines....sorry ...got carried away.not sure how it compares to a modern ride but i can bet the new model will shift gear much better,,,,,in other words there is no winnig point to this thread methinks.

 

[john]

This discussion has wandered somewhat.

Interested to know if people have similar discussions on classic car forums? For instance do you think they're all extolling the virtues of a spammed up family saloons over their classic porsche/ferrari/etc. Sure a brand new modneo st220 (or whatever) may be nominally quicker, have better brakes, have low servicing costs, is cheap to run and you can get the family labrador in the boot but surely that isn't the point. Is it ?

As for VFM cycling isn't a cheap sport I'm afraid, whichever way you look at it. If value is your main driver why not take up something like kabbadi? That way all you need is a patch of mud and a few stocky friends.

 

[gibbleking]

retro mud with green anodising or that new fangled lightweight stuff from halfords

 

[yo-eddy]

12yr old rigid yo eddy for £400 or a 4yr old orange sub5?

Umm, this is a trick question, right? Value for money the Yo will probably hold better than the Sub5 and 'ride quality' is very much a personal preference and dependent on local terrain - can't really see a Sub5 being much good in the sand dunes in Holland for example.

so when you gonna come here for a ride then ed
theres absolutely no downside to modern suspension bikes in that they pedal totally firm, yet soak up the trail, so yeh i'd ride in holland on a fully. Obviously I wouldnt WANT to ride in holland, you need mountains for mountain biking... that would be like riding in cannock or thetford again
its amazing how many people still think modern full suspension is still a pedal bob-a-thon when its so not. the Yo might be 2lbs lighter, big deal, the 5 rides better in EVERY way. (& owning several fullys & several FATs I've made that direct comparison! I can climb trails on my 6in travel freeride bike that I cant clear on my 18lb rigid hillclimb bike!)
value for money? we're talking buying 2nd hand bikes, so i'm not talkin resale, this is for actual ridden bikes & the Yo quality of ride per £ doesnt give anything like the same value as the 5.

"if full suspension was only an advantage downhill I wouldnt use it"
Ned Overend

sorry to drag this thread off course, but for the last time, retro bikes look pretty, modern bikes ride better

But how nany CC pro's did you see riding a fully in China :?:

 

[scant]

internet forum in off thread shocker!

bikes are cheap, i mean yeh theres obviously cheaper sports, but friends that do paragliding, track days (car & bike) horse eventing etc etc, those cost waay more!, bikes arent THAT expensive, they're comparatively cheap. the amount of people in the previous poll with 15 or more bikes is a classic example of that!.... there should hav been an option for 30 or over, that would have been interesting to know

the points been missed by a few so i'll make it simple. retro bikes used to be the cheap option for actual rider bikes. they arent anymore!
as john said, if you're buying retro its for other reasons than riding! if you're buying a bike purely to ride these days you'll get better value with moden.

I find it easier to keep it split between modern riders & retro wall hangers, but thats just me (lets not start the its wrong to not ride retro thread all over again.. its been done to death

I watch recent retro auctions with great interest, theres occasional bargains, but I do wonder if the pricing is heading the way of retro bmx & road. IE overly inflated! cook bros bmx foam frame pads $800 anyone! I guess everyone has there niche that they're prepared to pay large sums for

 

[scant]

12yr old rigid yo eddy for £400 or a 4yr old orange sub5?

Umm, this is a trick question, right? Value for money the Yo will probably hold better than the Sub5 and 'ride quality' is very much a personal preference and dependent on local terrain - can't really see a Sub5 being much good in the sand dunes in Holland for example.

so when you gonna come here for a ride then ed
theres absolutely no downside to modern suspension bikes in that they pedal totally firm, yet soak up the trail, so yeh i'd ride in holland on a fully. Obviously I wouldnt WANT to ride in holland, you need mountains for mountain biking... that would be like riding in cannock or thetford again
its amazing how many people still think modern full suspension is still a pedal bob-a-thon when its so not. the Yo might be 2lbs lighter, big deal, the 5 rides better in EVERY way. (& owning several fullys & several FATs I've made that direct comparison! I can climb trails on my 6in travel freeride bike that I cant clear on my 18lb rigid hillclimb bike!)
value for money? we're talking buying 2nd hand bikes, so i'm not talkin resale, this is for actual ridden bikes & the Yo quality of ride per £ doesnt give anything like the same value as the 5.

"if full suspension was only an advantage downhill I wouldnt use it"
Ned Overend

sorry to drag this thread off course, but for the last time, retro bikes look pretty, modern bikes ride better

But how nany CC pro's did you see riding a fully in China :?:

surprised they didnt ride cyclo-x given how lame that course looked

 

[yo-eddy]

12yr old rigid yo eddy for £400 or a 4yr old orange sub5?

Umm, this is a trick question, right? Value for money the Yo will probably hold better than the Sub5 and 'ride quality' is very much a personal preference and dependent on local terrain - can't really see a Sub5 being much good in the sand dunes in Holland for example.

so when you gonna come here for a ride then ed
theres absolutely no downside to modern suspension bikes in that they pedal totally firm, yet soak up the trail, so yeh i'd ride in holland on a fully. Obviously I wouldnt WANT to ride in holland, you need mountains for mountain biking... that would be like riding in cannock or thetford again
its amazing how many people still think modern full suspension is still a pedal bob-a-thon when its so not. the Yo might be 2lbs lighter, big deal, the 5 rides better in EVERY way. (& owning several fullys & several FATs I've made that direct comparison! I can climb trails on my 6in travel freeride bike that I cant clear on my 18lb rigid hillclimb bike!)
value for money? we're talking buying 2nd hand bikes, so i'm not talkin resale, this is for actual ridden bikes & the Yo quality of ride per £ doesnt give anything like the same value as the 5.

"if full suspension was only an advantage downhill I wouldnt use it"
Ned Overend

sorry to drag this thread off course, but for the last time, retro bikes look pretty, modern bikes ride better

But how nany CC pro's did you see riding a fully in China :?:

surprised they didnt ride cyclo-x given how lame that course looked

I knew you'd say that
But also on most of the other CC races hardtails are preffered by many of the pro's..... maybe the big Ned is a bit biased having Specialized sending him a bit of cash every end of the month :roll:
Full sussers for 4X and DH yes, but for CC and marathon.. nah
and must ad that modern high end full suspension bikes are NOT cheap and not cheap to maintain either.
Agree with you that if you want a "rider" you should avoid MOST (def. not ALL) retro bikes and their shiny bits
If your not into suspension like me, a high-end well maintained steel early 90's bike is still a very good alternative for most modern rides IMHO and cheaper then a nowadays equivalent (IF, GROOVY, SEROTTA and such...).........still no reason NOT to buy a GROOVY also for me though

 

[scant]

as ever its highly dependent on the terrain & the riders personal preference. after 19yrs riding rigid & hardtails i'll never go back, as i dont see any advantage in hardtails, only disadvantages! theres very few hardtails on the trails around here anymore, probably as the trails are more fun on FS. without meaning to insult I'd hazard a guess that your dutch trails are possibly less mountainous & smoother where you'd notice the advantages of a FS bike a lot less.

the right high end FS bikes can be cheap to maintain, I havent touched the bearings in my single pivot bikes in 3years although thats a whole other conversation.. pros & cons of differing suspension types.. we'll save that 1 for another time... more likely another forum

 

[john]

bikes are cheap, i mean yeh theres obviously cheaper sports, but friends that do paragliding, track days (car & bike) horse eventing etc etc, those cost waay more!, bikes arent THAT expensive, they're comparatively cheap.

I'd still contend ultimately cycling isn't cheap. A half decent bike will cost an average monthly salary. sure it's comparitively cheap with running a track car or whatever but that is cheap compared with running an ocean going yacht or breeding racehorses. Anyhow that isn't they key point.

the points been missed by a few so i'll make it simple. retro bikes used to be the cheap option for actual rider bikes. they arent anymore!
as john said, if you're buying retro its for other reasons than riding! if you're buying a bike purely to ride these days you'll get better value with moden.

I'm not sure that was quite my point but we'll let it slide. Still think that there are some retro bargains around, esp if you leave the world of ringle and fat and get involved with deore dx and steel. Vfm? i'd partially agree with your final point. Your driver begind riding and owning retro should be more than value.

I find it easier to keep it split between modern riders & retro wall hangers, but thats just me (lets not start the its wrong to not ride retro thread all over again.. its been done to death

each to their own. I enjoy riding my retro bikes, not sure i would want that much high end metal sat unridden. Agreed we don't need the debate though

 

[yo-eddy]

Your pretty much right on the Dutch conditions, but feel free to drop by anytime and I'll show you it's not all flat and soft
I'm lucky enough to spend plenty of time abroad on the bike though, incl. Alps, Himalaya's, Andes and most recently the Rocky's in Colorado (www.pimz.com/usa)
All rigid because I'm stuborn and my arms still cope with it......sofar :?
Might change to discs and frontsuspension in the future, but for now I just love the challenge and don't want to admit I'm getting older like the most of us

now back on Topic:

Avoid..... KLEIN!!, cause they're made of Cola can material and are way overpriced...... think I've just started another discussion here :roll: