retro bikes to avoid

I loved the two wheel steering that Kirks had!!! That was an ace design feature. I worked at A Dawes, Kona, Raleigh, etc dealer at the time so had to swop several Kirk frames for Dawes steel ones. Glued together Dyna-Techs and Peugeot Vitus kept breaking as well. Stay away from high milage alloy frames! Steel and titanium rules!!! :LOL:
 
Has anyone mentioned the OCLV Trek's with glued together frames ?, i would'nt touch one of those after the rivets and bonding gave up on my 9500's trailing arm.

About the water getting into steel frames, surely if the seatpin is well greased not a lot should get in ?

Also i dont realy buy the life span given to alloy frames (some say 10-12 years :roll: ), i've always thought Kleins were bad for cracking seat tubes due to them being commonly run with too much exposed seatpin ?, if alloy components had a life span surely some car manufactrers would'nt use it for suspension components etc, i know someone with an early 90's Honda NSX, just about the whole car is made of alloy including the suspension wishbones, under far more stress than any bike frame, no signs of that falling apart any time.

Having said that a Manitou FS was my ultimate dream bike, not anymore though :(
 
scant":1w1h37da said:
there is a side note to all this ranting :LOL:
a few years back people built up retro bikes as they were cheap or (in my case) they wanted bikes they couldnt get hold of 15yrs ago.
with the current retro market being so buoyant, if you actually intend on riding the bike.you'd be getting better value for money buying relatively modern. (no, really! 12yr old rigid yo eddy for £400 or a 4yr old orange sub5?..)

Sorry if this is starting to drag this off course, but I couldn't agree with you more. I was always into 'retro' because the stuff was servicable enough and I could get hold of it cheaply. Now that the market has gone mad, I'm selling all my retro gear and riding modern again and the modern stuff is costing me less £££. I recently bought an '08 Charge Duster frame (Tange Prestige), 4 months old and damn near mint condition for just £150. People are trying to flog 15 yr old Orange Prestiges for more than that.. it just ain't worth it anymore.
 
I have to say I find the rust issue of Fats slightly funny, sealed tubes, with lip seals on seat collars and taped shut slots on seat tubes. They put a little more effort into rust prevention than Kona, Specialized and the like.
Like any bike its up to the owner to ensure the seat tube is kept in tip top condition, and every type of frame suffers internal seat tube problems if not regularly cleaned and maintained.

As for rusting thru, the only frame I have this happen to was an abused steel Stumpjumper, and it had a lifetime warranty anyway.

Alloy frames, (even Kleins) may have a limited fatigue life in comparison to steel and titanium, depending on use, but rarely enough to cause problems later on in life unless very very light weight.
Most problems boil down to two things, poor manufacture or neglectful owners.

As for pricing, well I think most Retro stuff is a little overpriced and less use on most of today's developed trails, there is no doubt suspension is better as are disc brakes.

But, these days components are not as nice, there is little pride in owning today's "bling" as it is poorly manufactured. And most modern group-sets are pathetically manufactured and finished by comparison to stuff from the 90's. Many bikes these days also have pathetic geometry, designed around the suspension and not the rider.
Today's bikes are about fashion and profit, not pride of ownership and skilled manufacture. Just take a look at a pre Trek Klein, or a Sandvik Ti frame, a steel Serotta or Fat in comparison to any of today's bike frames, look at how poor Trek Kleins were in comparison, comparable to when Specialized dropped M2 ceramic matrix frames for hyped alloy M4 rubbish.
 
my seat tubes got a huge hole at each end so i dont get that kinda problem
 

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Carsten":1w5580y1 said:
and avoid steel bikes in general. they are just heavy and i haven't seen a single one that didn't have rust problems after some years of serious usage

I have to disagree. There are plenty of road frames from the 1950s and 60s still being ridden in the UK. It's not exactly as if our climate is kind to them either. Of course there are some nasty rust-eaten horrors around, but plenty of good'uns too.
 
Stick with anything that was over engineered BITD and you should be OK. That old RM Stratos frame I picked up of ebay fulfills many of the criteria of what should be avoided – made from aluminium, had a hard life etc. – bet the damn thing will out live me :LOL:
 
Rust issues on steel bike CAN and SHOULD be avoided very easily. It will take you 15 minutes a year to keep your bike good for a lifetime :shock: Pretty silly not to take care of this me thinks ;)
Both my former YO and my current Groovy are rust protected and therefor bikes for a lifetime (sustainability is a pretty HOT term nowadays ;) )
btw.... anyone has a picture of a broken YO that's not caused by rust :?:
 
Russell":12j8j3nu said:
scant":12j8j3nu said:
there is a side note to all this ranting :LOL:
a few years back people built up retro bikes as they were cheap or (in my case) they wanted bikes they couldnt get hold of 15yrs ago.
with the current retro market being so buoyant, if you actually intend on riding the bike.you'd be getting better value for money buying relatively modern. (no, really! 12yr old rigid yo eddy for £400 or a 4yr old orange sub5?..)

Sorry if this is starting to drag this off course, but I couldn't agree with you more. I was always into 'retro' because the stuff was servicable enough and I could get hold of it cheaply. Now that the market has gone mad, I'm selling all my retro gear and riding modern again and the modern stuff is costing me less £££. I recently bought an '08 Charge Duster frame (Tange Prestige), 4 months old and damn near mint condition for just £150. People are trying to flog 15 yr old Orange Prestiges for more than that.. it just ain't worth it anymore.

I would have to disagree I'm afraid, VFM is dependent on what you want from your bike , no?
 

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