Resource overload / fairplay in BOTM

mkozaczek

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The recent TPC BOTM entries has sparked some interesting discussion regarding fairness of individuals/business entities entering contests like BOTM.

Guys like Nick (TPC) and (maybe to a smaller extent) me (SSC) often get some slack for entering BOTM with our personal rigs because it's obvious that our business entities sponsored those entires with their unlimited cash and resources not typically available to the individual collector. My initial response to this line of thinking was rather negative. I never felt that leveraging hard earned resources in pursuit of one's passion was somehow immoral or unfair. We've all earned our spot in this game and some have chosen to put more skin in than others, and for better or worse now reap the rewards or challenges.

However, as I thought about it some more I came understand why people who say it's unfair feel that way. I don't know what's in Nick's garage, but I know that I definitely amassed a large number of parts and things to support SSC and I can pull from those parts for my personal projects. So, I definitely have resources available to me that average collector doesn't have. That is unless they have a ton of cash and buy stuff just to have it case a build comes along. I guess I see how that be thought of as unfair, right up to the point that I remember that I got into this hobby with $500 plus some ingenuity. Now five years later I have a couple bins of parts and some cool (I think) bikes. So, that brings me right around to thinking that it just comes down to a matter of have and have not, or at least people's perception thereof. Somehow those who managed to build decent collections, are picky about details are now elitist and should excuse themselves from the normal everyday events of the rest. I think that's BS!

In the end I feel that BOTM should be about the bikes. I for one judge a bike equal parts of how cool it is to me and how well someone executed the build. I have seen awesome ass bikes that appeared to be put together by a drunk gorilla, which didn't do it for me. I have also seen rather common bikes that were put together with so much meticulous attention to detail that in the end they seemed superior to their much rarer counterpart. So, if someone ponies up for winning rig and puts forth no effort more likely than not they won't get my vote, but I on the flip side I won't begrudge them the fact that they spent a ton of cash on it, that's their business and doesn't change things for me in the slightest.

In the end it's the bike and the details, I tend to withhold judgement on the person or their means from the equation. There is always someone with more time and money, I bring my passion to the table and rest is outside my control. So, why bitch about it?
 
I agree, otherwise what next ?

You have less kids, less job commitments etc than someone else giving more time to build and therefore an unfair advantage ?

You have a unit / garage and workbench to build so does that offer an unfair advantage over someone in a two up two down ?

IMHO, the only unfair thing is judging anything other than the bike ...

And that's coming from someone who has entered these comps but owns no banners i.e. a loser .. :LOL:

WD :D
 
Feels to me like a lot of people use their own mediocrity (of bike, effort, or income) as an excuse when they've been outdone and play the 'elitist' card too often.

A lot of us started in similar places at the bottom. No bikes, little money.
 
I pick the coolest bike there. The one I'd like to take for a ride most. I don't care who posted it up, what it's worth, or how it got to where it did...
 
I've got a really expensive old bike that isn't going to win BOTM in a month of sundays. Who do I complain to?
 
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You are very right mkozaczek. A few years ago I made a tongue in cheek comment about a stunning Firstflight entry into BOTM. It was very much intended as a joke but without my funny facial and humerus aural delivery came across as a petty whine. Sadly I have felt that I am responsible for Firstflight never entering any of their builds.
There are allot of big collections out there with great bikes that often have wonderful back stories. This is the place to see them and it doesn't matter if their owned by companies or rich individuals. BOTM is for all.
 
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I personally couldn't care who enters bikes as long as they are active participants in the forum who add value, experience and expertise rather than fair weather members who splash and dash BOTM every month.

Lots of money doesn't buy a good bike, it just buys an expensive one. Good bikes come from knowledge and research. Case in point, go look on eBay for this Merlin Newsboy - it's hugely expensive bike dripping the most expensive and, frankly, awful parts. It's badly set up and looks to ride like a dog and has come from a deep wallet with no knowledge or experience.

Likewise having access to lots of pros bikes doesn't mean access to lots of good bikes, again it still takes skill to pick out a gem. Pros are paid to ride whatever bike they are given, good or bad, and are often the most dreary bikes imaginable. The skill comes in finding iconic bikes, bikes with a story or history or an ex-owner with a touch of interest.
 
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My 2p / ramblings...

The USA - the heatland of MTB - will most certainly have the broadest selection and arguably some of
the best bits floating around. For non-resident US folk, there is a disadvantage already of simply not
being there for the pickings at source.

Having a profession in the industry means having contacts and leads and being at even more of an
advantage on a daily bases; while most others are sat on the other end battling
it out on Ebay and being shafted by Global Shipping Programs and fees for a sniff at US exotica.

The issue is blurring the business transactions / assets with the personal interest and which
foot is forward - business or pleasure? I can understand it get's people's backs up. Personally, I
think it adds something, after all it is about the bikes at the end of the day and it can't be
taken that seriously. If BOTM was reduced to a US Corporate head-to-head showdown
month after month then it would be a complete yawnfest bore. Fortunatly, there are entries from
all over the world in any shape or size which makes it interesting in my book.

If it would be road bikes we are talking about, the tables would be turned, but that's beside
the point and would make a good debate on the road forum. Curiously, I don't see many
high-end Pace or Saracens entered in BOTM from across the atlantic - perhaps they are like
mild beer and don't travel well :?:

Good idea to raise a discussion on this rather than it being brought up time and time again on the BOTM thread.
 
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I've not really dropped by BOTM for a while but I certainly recall many winners have a story behind the bike which gives it more validity.
For example where someone's brought a bike back from the abyss like Pete's Yeti where he got the seat tube replaced etc..

A labour of love I guess.

That's what RB used to be or still is about.
 
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BOTM is certainly Elitist and favours the Cash - any argument otherwise is futile.

I'll only be convinced otherwise when 'BOTM - Raleigh Special' gets posted - yeah right!!!!

I'll eat my pants and run naked shouting 'I really, really want a Gerbil' if that happens
 
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