re-issue parts/bikes

This could be a solution. The future is here. ;) Figures that someone w/ a hangar full of old unique cars would be one of the first to discover this. When he needs a part what does Jay Leno do? Read on....there's a link to a video at the end of this post.


Jay Leno has a lot of old cars with a lot of obsolete parts. When he needs to replace these parts, he skips the error-prone machinist and goes to his rapid prototyping 3D printer. Simply scan, print and repeat.
By Jay Leno
Photographs by John Lamm
Published in the July 2009 issue of Popular Mechanics

It’s an amazing way to fabricate parts. The 3D scanner next to Jay creates a digital model of this flanged nut from Jay’s EcoJet supercar. The nut takes 20 minutes to scan and reverse model and 3 hours to print in plastic.
One of the hardships of owning an old car is rebuilding rare parts when there are simply no replacements available. My 1907 White Steamer has a feedwater heater, a part that bolts onto the cylinders. It’s made of aluminum, and over the 100-plus years it’s been in use, the metal has become so porous you can see steam and oil seeping through. I thought we could just weld it up. But it’s badly impregnated with oil and can’t be repaired. If we tried, the metal would just come apart.
So, rather than have a machinist try to copy the heater and then build it, we decided to redesign the original using our NextEngine 3D scanner and Dimension 3D printer. These incredible devices allow you to make the form you need to create almost any part. The scanner can measure about 50,000 points per second at a density of 160,000 dots per inch (dpi) to create a highly detailed digital model. The 3D printer makes an exact copy of a part in plastic, which we then send out to create a mold. Some machines can even make a replacement part in cobalt-chrome with the direct laser sintering process. Just feed a plastic wire—for a steel part you use metal wire—into the appropriate laser cutter.
Inside the printer, the print head goes back and forth, back and forth, putting on layer after layer of plastic to form a 3D part. If there are any irregularities in the originals, you can remove them using software. Once the model is finished, any excess support material between moving parts is dissolved in a water-based solution. Complexity doesn’t matter, but the size of the object does determine the length of the process. Making a little part might take 5 hours. The White’s feedwater heater required 33 hours.
Any antique car part can be reproduced with these machines—pieces of trim, elaborately etched and even scrolled door handles. If you have an original, you can copy it. Or you can design a replacement on the computer, and the 3D printer makes it for you.
People say, “Why not just give the part to your machinist to make?” Well, if the machinist makes it wrong, you still have to pay for it. The scanner allows you to make an exact copy in plastic, fit it and see that it’s correct. Even when you take plans to a machinist, it can be tricky. Say the part must be 3 mm thick here and 5 mm there. You get it back and then, “Oh no, it doesn’t fit; it’s too thick,” or “It’s too thin.” My setup lets you create the perfect part. And you could press the button again and again—and keep making the part—twice the size, half-size, whatever you need. If you have a part that’s worn away, or has lost a big chunk of metal, you can fill in that missing link on the computer. Then you make the part in plastic and have a machinist make a copy based on that example. Or you can do what we do—input that program into a Fadal CNC machine; it reads the dimensions and replicates an exact metal copy.
Some guys are so used to working in the traditional ways. They’re old-school. So they’ve never seen this new technology in use—in fact, they’re not even aware it exists. When you work on old cars, you tend to work with old machinery like lathes, milling machines or English wheels. When someone tells you that you can take a crescent wrench, for example, scan it, then press a button, copy it, and make a new wrench, these guys say, “Well, that’s not possible. You can’t make the little wheel that moves the claw in and out. You’d have to make it in two sections.”
But they’re wrong. You can duplicate the whole tool.
They stand in front of the machine and watch a wrench being made, and they still don’t believe it. It’s like The Jetsons. George Jetson would say, “I want a steak dinner.” He’d press a button and the meal would come out of the machine, with the roasted potatoes and everything, all on one plate. We may not have the instant steak dinner yet—but my NextEngine system is like the car-guy equivalent.

A 3D printer uses the data from the 3D scanner to build a plastic replica.
If you had a one-off Ferrari engine, you could scan each part and then re-create the entire motor. Right now, we’re scanning a Duesenberg body. It’s a classic example of high tech melding with old tech. There are cars sitting in garages around the country, and they haven’t moved in years for lack of some unobtainable part. Now they can hit the road once more, thanks to this technology.
My 1907 White engine would never have run again because its slide valve (or D-valve) was shot. We built that part, and now the car is back on the street.
Let’s say you have an older Cadillac or a Packard, and you can’t get one of those beautifully ornate door handles. You could go to the big swap meet in Hershey, Pa., every day for the rest of your life and never find it. Or you could take the one on the left side of your car, copy it, use the computer to reverse it, and put that new part on the other side.
It’s an amazingly versatile technology. My EcoJet supercar needed air-conditioning ducts. We used plastic parts we designed, right out of the 3D copier. We didn’t have to make these scoops out of aluminum—plastic is what they use in a real car. And the finished ones look like factory production pieces.
When I was in high school, a friend’s father bought the new Pulsar LED watch. He paid $2200 for it. It had a red face; you pressed a button, it lit up and gave you the time. The next year I bought a similar watch from Texas Instruments for $19.99. I went over and showed it to my friend’s dad, and he was sooo angry.
The NextEngine scanner costs $2995. The Dimension uPrint Personal 3D printer is now under $15,000. That’s not cheap. But this technology used to cost 10 times that amount. And I think the price will come down even more.
These machines are not suited for mass production, but they work well for rapid prototyping. Just as eBay has made many swap meets go away, this machine could eliminate the need to go to eBay for parts. Think about it: What old part do you want to make?

http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/extras/ar ... d-parts-1/
 
Don't get me started
:evil: :LOL:

Short answer:
The way is is USUALLY done (3D scanners excepted) is crap. It's a way for companies to make money from ageing old obsessives. And when they inevitably cut corners, the quality suffers, so people don't get what they were expecting.

Repros of consumables, like tyres, would be great.
Apart from that? Forget it - Stick with the real deal.

Loooong answer:
It's a mixed bag, really.

Re-issues give more people the opportunity to own stuff that looks like the stuff they destroyed or couldn't afford BITD.

Repros also (generally) depress the market for the average condition old stuff, EXCEPT the genuine NOS stuff, which will always command a premium.

The main problem with bike parts is finding or re-making the tooling and achieving the same quality of bearings, finish etc. as the old stuff. Those costs are the main reason everything moved to off-shore manufacture in the first place.

The MTB market isn't yet at the stage of other areas of collecting, where the huge prices paid for the old stuff would justify re-tooling to make repros. And bikes are more complicated to re-engineer than a bunch of sneakers.

Very often, the re-issues aren't done properly. This can kill the reputation of your brand and just highlights the difference between the new crap and the older, high quality stuff that people THOUGHT they were buying into.

The best example is re-issue skateboards. With the old decks selling for THOUSANDS of dollars, there's obviously a market for re-issues.
Compared to re-tooling to produce bike parts, laminating a bunch of wood into a skateboard deck is cheap and hasn't changed much in 30 years.

But still, the big companies (Powell/ Santa-Cruz) generally couldn't be bothered to even use the correct concave molds, templates or screen-printing processes.
When they did, the repro boards sold out, so they've continued re-issuing the re-issues with repeat runs/ endless color variations/ short runs of signed decks etc. etc. and people have got totally sick of being taken for suckers. The originals, however, show no sign of peaking yet.

Shoe companies have re-issued a lot of old stuff.
But, like someone said, they have started cutting corners with quality and the modern versions suck....

Then they take the route that Vans chose = issue a "premium" line, with better quality materials - which is basically like admitting that the standard shoes are now cheap, Chinese junk.

The latest over-saturated market niche is collaborations (colabos) between old-school brands and: Other brands who want some reflected glory, like chi-chi designer labels; famous artists; musicians; old-school skaters; small shops; any man and his dog.

Small runs; exclusive designs; high prices; collector-fever; instantly flipped on Ebay for big money.

The "re-issue"/ homage thing is VERY big in BMX.
It started with companies like Kappa (not the sportswear brand), who did very small runs of VERY high quality frames. Mostly updated geometry but with retro styling.
Those are now very collectible in themselves. And they actually function better than the originals, too.

Other companies, like Profile and Skyway invested a lot in re-making the tooling for faithful reproductions of frames, wheels, cranks etc. Some turned out very well; others were a disappointment, as the companies did not listen to what riders/ collectors wanted.

Other brands, like Hutch have been bought up with the intention of resurrecting the brand and issuing a mix of old and new stuff. But a bike is a highly engineered product, not a lookalike sneaker. So often the huge costs of meeting the original quality standards results in a half-baked re-issue.

Since the big companies jumped on the "re-issue" goldmine, they have pretty much done it to death, re-issuing stuff that "looks" like the old bikes, but has cheap components and crap tubing that would NEVER have been used on the originals (Haro, are you listening?).

Generally, it's a money-making machine for those who own the rights to old brands.
And a pit of shattered expectations for obsessive collectors who think that buying repros of their childhood dreams will somehow complete their lives... even though they generally don't intend to ever ride/ skate/ wear the stuff anyway.
 
Some interesting discussion on the reissues, esp from DM.

Companies need to be careful!

Anyhow kind of off the back of this thought I'd setup a thread where we could collate a list of decent retro and re-issued parts still available. Parts that remain (relatively) unchanged in production since back in the day or becasue they have been re-issued.

Anyhow thread is here > http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=81708

Not sure if this will be a success or not.
 
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