Pace...where's it all going?

[Neil G]

Dr S,

At the start of this thread you're very keen to bash Brant Richards and his way of working, voicing your opposition to Far Eastern made frames, but now you're waxing lyrical about your Cotic Soul, which (and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong) Brant Richards was instrumental in getting built initially, probably in the very same factory in Taiwan that the On-One frames are made. Are Cotics now not made in Taiwan, probably by the same workers that make the On-One frames?

Half the people on STW rave on about buying British etc with Cotics probably unaware of this fact, not saying they are bad frames at all. just marketing and image.

Same with brands like Charge....small, Frome based company? I don't think so but does it matter, at the end of the day it makes half decent bikes affordable

 

[ferrit]

Thats a fair point, to me I dont really give fig where its made but it is nice if the company is based in the UK, creates some UK jobs and the item is designed with UK riding in mind.

There cannot be to many UK based manufacturers out there anymore, Hope, Middleburn, Renthal, Use spring to mind. As for frames you are really into the realms of bespoke builders rather than anything off the shelf.

The whole British thing is a bit of a red herring as most of the people banging on about it nowadays wouldnt have had a Raleigh if you gave it to them bitd.

Whilst boutique bikes are lovely to look at and no doubt lovely to ride, if they sit in a garage and dont get dirty they are a very expensive and a little bit pointless.

 

[Anthony]

Is the ProTeam designed for Roadbikes exclusively? Reynolds dont seem to make any distinction between the two 853 tubesets other that the ProTeam is 0.1mm thinner at the ends of the tube but not in the middle where the size is the same.

The 104 is designated a XC bike so presumably thats why they wanted to use a lighter tubeset. Also getting a lighter frameset on the market than a local competitor would also be an incentive for using the Proteam.

Maybe not exclusively, but as an example (unless they've changed it) there is/was no ProTeam seat tube that could be used on an MTB frame. Maybe they could use the 635 x 34/28 x 0.7/0.5/0.7 opposed oval tube as a top tube, but that's the only possibility and it must be expensive. OK there are options for the down tube, but if they had intended that tubeset for MTB, I would have thought it would have had different tubes available. And whether the famous air-hardening property makes a 0.2 butt sufficient for MTB is another issue. As you say, certainly not for Ragley-type purposes!

 

[kaiser]

Who owns Pace at the moment? Am I right in thinking they sold out to DT swiss? Has this changed any, my thinking is that the Pace people know on here(90's) is not the Pace now.

 

[ferrit]

Would the thiner butt account for the fillet brazing?

 

[ferrit]

Pace sold the forks part of the business not the rest. DT Swiss just wanted the carbon forks side of things to get them into the market quickly with minimul design effort

 

[JeRkY]

Who owns Pace at the moment? Am I right in thinking they sold out to DT swiss? Has this changed any, my thinking is that the Pace people know on here(90's) is not the Pace now.

The fork side went to DTswiss for sure. I had assumed Pace the company was still under the same ownership as before that deal.

 

[Anthony]

Would the thiner butt account for the fillet brazing?

It could do I guess, but I don't think either Roberts or Yates use ProTeam for MTBs. Fillet-brazing does damage a tube less, so maybe a 0.7 tube damaged by brazing isn't much less strong than a 0.8 tube damaged by welding. But it wouldn't be any stronger, and the extra weight of the braze cancels out the weight saving from the thinner butt, so all you're left with is extra cost. But maybe a marketing advantage?

 

[Dr S]

Who owns Pace at the moment? Am I right in thinking they sold out to DT swiss? Has this changed any, my thinking is that the Pace people know on here(90's) is not the Pace now.

Pace are still Pace- just sold the fork side. They are still run by Adrian carter and based in Wykeham on the North Yorkshire Moors. they still do all the prototyping and engineering there too.

 

[justbackdated]

[ferrit wrote] if the company is based in the UK, creates some UK jobs[/quote][/quote]




Hmm...the DT swiss sell-out made Matt, Adam, Richard, Maggy, Mark and myself redundant from Pace!

Pace Cycles now consist of Adrian, Cathy and Josh who does the servicing[my old job]. Pace are no longer importers of DT Swiss stuff which is now controlled totally by Madison.
The machines stand idle as there are no longer any engineers employed :cry: