other hobbies???

[Neil]

I can differentiate between hunting for one's own entertainment, dressed-up as enjoying animals at purpose, and animals bred and killed humanely.

My dog (and ferrets) were bred from generations of working stock, bought for the sole purpose of hunting.. they also fill a 'pet' role, which is nice.

I understand why people are anti-hunting, and there are aspects of hunting that I don't really like - and therefore wouldn't participate.
Such a shame that anti's are generally much too narrow minded to afford others the same courtesy. :roll:

How so?

People questioning whether it's humane to kill critters for entertainment is hardly narrow-minded, nor showing lack of courtesy.

It's simply questioning whether hunting for entertainment (which is what it is) is acceptable in society today.

Various other types of hunting and animal "competing" events have been outlawed, I just don't believe in killing animals for entertainment (even if you then eat them, it's not the same).

 

[Neil]

Do you eat meat Neil?

Yes, why?

I can differentiate between hunting for one's own entertainment, dressed-up as enjoying animals at purpose, and animals bred and killed humanely.

same thing.

No it's not.

Hunting for entertainment is purely that - engaging or viewing a pursuit where something is killed - for that end.

Eating meat, that's killed humanely is entirely different. Just because the animal in question dies, doesn't make it the same.

Bullfighting is not the same as cows killed at an abattoir.

One's a spectacle to be observed, the other is something done without celebration of the damn thing dying.

 

[IDB1]

How so?

People questioning whether it's humane to kill critters for entertainment is hardly narrow-minded, nor showing lack of courtesy.

It's simply questioning whether hunting for entertainment (which is what it is) is acceptable in society today.

Various other types of hunting and animal "competing" events have been outlawed, I just don't believe in killing animals for entertainment (even if you then eat them, it's not the same).

Oh grow up fer chrissake.

Just because you think it's just for entertainment doesn't make it true. If it suits you to believe that, brilliant..
And you thinking it's cruel and inhumane is a far cry for having the courtesy of actually finding out some facts before engaging in a debate about it.

It's a major achievement for a dog to catch a rabbit and that's where the pleasure is.
Suffering to the prey is minimal, it's usually instantly killed by the dog (for ferreting, we have to despatch the rabbit (and it's over in a second)).

This dog have caught 1 rabbit since his appearance on the planet 15months ago.
If I wanted entertainment I'd go for something that had a much higher success rate.

 

[Neil]

IDB1, although it doesn't interest me, I dont think there is anything wrong with what you do. I am glad the catch gets eaten.

The local gamekeeper oftern brings me rabbit (all skinned etc) as he has to keep the numbers down.

He also has to kill a lot of grey squirrels to keep the population down. If not they will destroy ancient and significant trees on the estate.

People who object normally dont understand. Rabbits were introduced to this country by humans. Left to their own devices they breed out of control and our countryside cannot support them.

I would much rather your dogs catch and eat them than for them to be shot and burnt (for some reason most people wont eat rabbit) or for them to die from miximiwotsit.

I understand there are issues in areas of the countryside, with certain animals that are considered vermin.

Accepting pest control, there's much more effecient, much less cruel means of getting rid of the pests, than simply hunting it with another animal, for it to kill it.

That's the flawed logic that was used to defend fox hunting, and various means that badgers were killed by dogs.

 

[crud]

neil

the subtle difference here is those rabbits are going to be hunted one way or another full stop.

You talk about humanly as if its a holiday. Lining up animals at the slaughter house is not humane what ever way you look at it.

Rabbits expect to be hunted. and like the man says it is not given the rabbit is caught. It is 'humane' and as natural as it can be with the alarming lack of natural predators in the wild.

 

[IDB1]

Accepting pest control, there's much more effecient, much less cruel means of getting rid of the pests, than simply hunting it with another animal, for it to kill it..

Do tell. . . I'm keen to learn about these other, less cruel, methods. . .

 

[crud]

Accepting pest control, there's much more effecient, much less cruel means of getting rid of the pests, than simply hunting it with another animal, for it to kill it.

name one.

 

[Neil]

How so?

People questioning whether it's humane to kill critters for entertainment is hardly narrow-minded, nor showing lack of courtesy.

It's simply questioning whether hunting for entertainment (which is what it is) is acceptable in society today.

Various other types of hunting and animal "competing" events have been outlawed, I just don't believe in killing animals for entertainment (even if you then eat them, it's not the same).

Oh grow up fer chrissake.

Just because you think it's just for entertainment doesn't make it true. If it suits you to believe that, brilliant..
And you thinking it's cruel and inhumane is a far cry for having the courtesy of actually finding out some facts before engaging in a debate about it.

It's a major achievement for a dog to catch a rabbit and that's where the pleasure is.
Suffering to the prey is minimal, it's usually instantly killed by the dog (for ferreting, we have to despatch the rabbit (and it's over in a second)).

This dog have caught 1 rabbit since his appearance on the planet 15months ago.
If I wanted entertainment I'd go for something that had a much higher success rate.

See it's far easier to sling insults around, than deal with something that's clearly emotive for you, when questioned.

Of course it's for entertainment - just read what you've written again, back to yourself, and tell me that there's no gratification, there.

All I'm saying - and it's far from an unreasonable proposition - is that I believe it's wrong to kill animals for sport or entertainment, that's all.

Fox hunting was defended on various grounds, like tradition, like industry, like keeping levels of "vermin" at bay. And it was all largely a crock. People did it, because they liked doing it, and didn't like other people (who I'm sure are judged as being lefty, coffee drinking, misanthropes...) who largely viewed it as being cruel and unnecessary, taking a position on it that influenced the government into doing something about it.

 

[Neil]

neil

the subtle difference here is those rabbits are going to be hunted one way or another full stop.

You talk about humanly as if its a holiday. Lining up animals at the slaughter house is not humane what ever way you look at it.

Rabbits expect to be hunted. and like the man says it is not given the rabbit is caught. It is 'humane' and as natural as it can be with the alarming lack of natural predators in the wild.

So using your logic, then, what was wrong with fox hunting?

 

[Neil]

Accepting pest control, there's much more effecient, much less cruel means of getting rid of the pests, than simply hunting it with another animal, for it to kill it.

name one.

You know those people, like, um, pest control experts?

Well when a companies that have big buildings have a pest problem, say, with mice or rats, or other vermin, they don't get a load of cats or owls and say "Let's party..." they do other stuff.

Now this is just me, but I'm guessing they do other stuff, because it's a lot quicker and efficient.