Old frame id's Please

[big burner]

Can anyone tell me from the pictures these frame id's please :?:

The first two im going to have restored,i know the black painted one is an holdsworth but going by the lugs its one of the so called winds ie cyclone,hurricain,tornado etc but which.






Holdsworth






And anyone tell from these dropouts what this could be :?



Any help will be good
Thanks Nick

 

[sisyphus]

Is the black one a whirlwind - lugs very different to my cyclone but Ive seen variatons

 

[big burner]

Hi yes a couple of other people have said it could be a whirlwind but need to confirm before having it painted up as one
The light blue I was told could be a gillot?

Nick

 

[lewisfoto]

that black one is out of this world, too bad about the cheap respray...

 

[Apple Tree]

The black Holdsworth is not the later design of Whirlwind. Possibly a Scirocco which was introduced in 1950 but dropped by '53 and called a Whirlwind in its final year. Do you have a serial number ? That would allow us to get a handle on likely time period.
Beautiful lugs; well worth getting professionally restored and lug lined.

 

[Apple Tree]

The light blue frame is Nervex lugged so generic. Any other ID such as serial numbers ? Any holes on head tube for a badge ? Pictures of BB and rear fork ends ?

 

[lewisfoto]

The light blue frame is Nervex lugged so generic. Any other ID such as serial numbers ? Any holes on head tube for a badge ? Pictures of BB and rear fork ends ?

Not so fast, while I do agree that this looks like a Nervex lug set the bicycle could still be well made. In fact it looks litke the lugs received quite a bit of work particularly around the head tube.

Steven

 

[big burner]

Thanks for the info so far,i will do a couple more pictures and frame numbers i can remember the light blue starts with M

 

[Midlife]

Can I ask a daft question...........are there 3 frames?

Shaun

 

[big burner]

Yes there are 3 frames the 2 good ones and one odd one that has no special features except the dropouts

Nick