NOS Mustang frame £110 start

[jonnyboy666]

do you know what i don't understand? . . . why people get that upset about this sort of stuff on forums? . . . why can't you just filter out the stuff you are not interested in? i know i do.

i think the "nothing nice to say? don't say anything" etc does work.

i am a member of several forums these days mainly off the back of retrobike being such a chilled out cool place, before retrobike i had never bothered with forums before as they seemed a bit too much of cliques between members. as a result of this place i am a member of a few of what i consider to be good websites some bike related some not, that is a good thing. although this website has and will evolve to something different i don't want retrobike to change to a slanging match between members as some other websites have done previousley in quite a public way (highly charged threads being outed on other websites etc)

personally i find the end result converstaion of this thread quite alarming, i understand that pete doesn't like old cheap poor quality bikes, i feel the same, but i feel you go too far in your posts, i'm not talking about asking you to sit on a fence with your opinion here either but getting to the point of telling others to f off i don't think is good.

i would say though as this place is generally accepting and chilled out that when someone does speak out as pete has (and he has every right to speak out being a public forum) it does really stand out as a very loud opinion, and one that is not always welcomed by others even if they agree with what is being said.

i myself am quite specific of the bikes i like and not just my stable of oranges (a brand i accept that not everyone holds in that same esteem as me) but the really cheap stuff i had back in the day can remain there as a fond(ish) memory.

my 2p for what it's worth.

 

[lewis1641]

i am proud to have built some very low cost bikes.


i dont want to replace my dog shit bikes (modern dog shit inbred included) for one bike that one man says is of a decent calibre.

i would love to find an early 90's claude butler dog shit bike. they were the stuff of dreams when i was growing up and i intend to own one

Seriously or just having a laugh Lewis?

serious. i want an early 90's sceptre in pink

i like high end bikes too but have a soft spot for the attainable stuff.

 

[Dr S]

My point..exactly.

Not everyone would know of cunningham...nor for that matter Jimi Hendrix...but a walk past the LBS with its shiny INSERT BRAND MODEL..something to save for...something to lust after...

We don't all aspire to the same things...else wembley pitch would be very crowded.

I wasn't aware of Cunninghams and didn't aspire to owning one back then but I'd love one now, dreams are not fixed at 14 years old.
You are now aware of these bikes- don't you change your goals??

As a 10 year old I wasn't aware of sex, Kylie, whipped cream or gaffer tape. My dreams would be rather empty today if I hadn't become aware of such pleasures

 

[IDB1]

sex, Kylie, whipped cream or gaffer tape.

All spoken in the same sentence.. shame the Wifes not into role-play

 

[elPedro666]

I spotted this incredulous beast on here a while back, and for a moment was tempted as it was my first 'proper' bike (haha) and as a ten & eleven year old I raced cross on a 19" Mustang... :shock:

Then of course I boggled at the price!

Yes they were shit, but Raleigh also made the bike's of my heros (who I'd see & cheer on racing every weekend) so of course we'd want them as kids.

But yes, they really were shit. Maybe if it was a tenner I'd be tempted, for old time's sake...

Continue ranting, and please do aspire to something better, but you can't ask me to forget how happy I was when my mum & dad bought me of these monsters!

Still shit though...

 

[drcarlos]

Did you notice that I purposefully used the term ATB, not MTB? ATB were generally considered the BSOs of the 80s in the UK. So that wasn't a very 'sweeping statement' but was in fact very focused and pointed at particular types of bikes- ie low end, low rent bikes often found with central ridge tyres, focused on those that wanted to follow the fashion rather than the sport.

If you'd bothered to read the thread and it's context you would have realised that i was not referring to hand made 531 raleighs or peugeot team bikes but solely to the shite bikes like raleigh mustangs, mavericks and magnums. Just because you and I may have ridden them as kids doesn't make them historic or rare and does not mean that we should have to fawn over them on this site.

Didn't notice the term ATB really but to be honest I saw a lot of proper MTB's with an ATB tag in the late 80's/early 90's.
My Maverick used to carry the tag ATB but this was the early days in the UK and the manufacturers hadn't really sorted their terminology, that said I wouldn't fawn over it, but at least it had a handmade lugged and brazed frame, OK it may have been ATT23 but the dropouts were decent forged ones, Dia-compe brakes that worked, Shimano light action gears, alloy rims and sealed hubs, a 1" Tange Headset, regular bottom bracket and an alloy 3 ring chainset, it was a league ahead of any Halfords special and a big jump up from the Mustang, whether it would be called a BSO today I don't know, it maybe just borderline, but it was reliable took a hell of a beating.
I personally wouldn't lump Dawes in with the crowd that made late 80's and early 90's 'ATBs'. Their lowest bike back then was something like the Kickback which although not exotic had a handmade Reynolds 500 frame and Exage Country group, IMO a more than competant entry level bike, IIRC it was only later they started to turn out BSO's.

But I do agree with you about things like the Mustang and Ranger my mates went through numerous examples of these while my Maverick soldiered on until crashed badly by a mate.

Carl.

 

[pete_mcc]

6 pages! Do I get to claim this thread as my own as it's the longest thread I've ever instigated, even if I didn't initiate it!

As far as keeping quiet when a bike is posted that I don't like, I don't think I have ever posted a derogatory remark about someones bike on a thread that they have started (well, possibly with the exception of LGFs 'yellow peril', but that was horrible). I saved it all up for a funny thread in the back end of this site and expressed my views only when asked and only after others had plied me with virtual alcohol. I have no shame about what i said, I stand by every word. It is my view, not that of the site, not one that I will expect others to change to in the same way that others won't change me to theirs

Lets not muddy the water by getting into a 'bike snob' argument though, this is a 'shite bike' thread! There are so many great cheap bikes out there, as I said earlier in this thread - why buy a BSO when you can buy a Stumpjumper or Clockwork for the same cash. If a bike was considered shite 20 years ago then 20 years of sitting in a garage will not have changed it. If a bike was great 20 years ago then it will be iconic today. That is what I thought this site was about, a celebration of what was great in MTBs not a smoke-blow about anything old.

It's not snobby, elitist or arrogant to say that a gaspipe bike with Chi-lee brakes and sub tourney parts is shite. Sure to someone with no interest in the sport or with no care for quality, design and manufacture then it is a great little BSO, an object to get from a to b. To anyone with an interest in the sport, who rides or who stares then it is just a shite BSO. Even the poorest retro biker should not aspire to one of these. People may want one for sentimental reasons but that does not detract from the fact that it is not rare, not historic and is nothing more than white dog shite.

My point is if you have the knowledge then you are able to buy all manner of great things at low prices ,if you had the chance to buy a ferrari at focus prices you wouldn't say no for fear of being called elitist, would you? Look at my bikes, many cost very little: the fat ti that was a swap for an old San Andreas, the Bradbury Manitou that was a bargain on ebay. All about being in the right place at the right time and knowing your onions? My worry is that if no one is ever critical and knowledge is never shared then how are new members every going to know the great stuff that's is out there from the BSOs that appear on eBay?

 

[keitht]

My point..exactly.

Not everyone would know of cunningham...nor for that matter Jimi Hendrix...but a walk past the LBS with its shiny INSERT BRAND MODEL..something to save for...something to lust after...

We don't all aspire to the same things...else wembley pitch would be very crowded.

I wasn't aware of Cunninghams and didn't aspire to owning one back then but I'd love one now, dreams are not fixed at 14 years old.
You are now aware of these bikes- don't you change your goals??

As a 10 year old I wasn't aware of sex, Kylie, whipped cream or gaffer tape. My dreams would be rather empty today if I hadn't become aware of such pleasures

Agreed..and of course aspirations change..

however, this site, has as much to do with nostalgia as anything else....

For my part, I never wanted a Mustang..normally I wanted whatever my mates had,,,this of course would change frequently as I fell in and out of friendship...

But then I never wanted to climb Everest, nor own a Capri...some did and still do..like I stated...we all want different things

As to to the sexual aspect, I can only assume Rustler wasn't in easy reach down at your local corner shop...

 

[legrandefromage]

OOOh I get a mention!





Yellow Peril?

 

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