Lewis Hamilton..what a bellend

[Neil]

Again, you need to do your research.

You obviously have not.

The expression itself is antithetical to the concept of playing the race card, he had no need to add anything to reverse anything.

You are seeing what you want to see.

What utter, utter tosh.

Go and watch the video again. The guy was all over the place with his emotions, frustration and anger. The only thing he did right, no doubt with his racer's instinct, was to swerve with the Ali G comment, soon as. You can practically spot the reaction in him that he's royally effed up - why would that be if it was just some in-humour? Because it wasn't.

It wasn't clever, it wasn't contrived, it wasn't ironic, it wasn't thought provoking. It was instant, self-serving and driven by emotion. And at the tail end, a bit of self-realisation occurred. Oops.

You go and watch that interview again, and then tell me in that agitated state he was really at a higher level than his interviewer and practically all his audience with his post-modern-irony, and I've got a bridge to sell you.

 

[highlandsflyer]

My point is what the statement actually means.

You are ignoring that, in your haste to draw your predetermined conclusion.

Idiotic.

 

[T'boo Ted]

my mates and I are always saying totally stupid disrespectful stuff to each other in lame humor, but we're not paid bazillions of dollars, at the pinnacle of our sport, representing out team, sponsors and country on international tv. A joke it may be, but it was just plain stupid, no matter what the history/meaning/context.
Would it have been cool if he had used the "N" word? As plenty of black people use that when describing them selves these days...

 

[Neil]

My point is what the statement actually means.

You are ignoring that, in your haste to draw your predetermined conclusion.

Your point appears to be that in the heat of the moment of some emotional outburst (and not for the first time that weekend) Hamilton made some contrived, satirical joke in the midst of a leading question that was in effect, insinuating "Lewis: your driving in recent times has caused you to be summoned to the stewards to explain your behaviour, are you man enough to be able to consider that perhaps your driving has a part to play, and some introspection would benefit?"

You are just seeing words, and no context. He was ranting and raving at everybody - everybody except himself.

When asked on something where clearly he has a case to answer (repeated stewards interest), he once again couldn't consider any self-realisation, but instead said something dreadfully stupid, and quite inappropriate.

He'll be lucky not to have to deal with some "bringing the sport into disrepute" charge, maybe if he's very apologetic, and grovels in private, that may slip from his shoulders, too.

Idiotic.

Likewise.

Focusing on word choice - when it wasn't chosen in a contrived fashion, it was said in the heat of the moment, with a lot of emotion - not some cleverly thought-out "joke".

Watch the video again, look and listen to his answers (and for that matter, watch the videos of his other interview after quali) look at his demeanor, how he was answering, how he was talking, how rattled and emotional he was; look at how he was prepared to blame everybody else, insult other drivers as well as the stewards, then try and tell me this was clever use of some "joke".

It wasn't. It was an emotional outburst, and a very foolish use of words that could - and have - been easily interpreted in a bad way, against an organisation he'd be very stupid to p1ss off (that alone tells you this wasn't anything clever or contrived - most drivers wouldn't thinkingly accuse or criticise the stewards, they'd only do so in the heat of emotion, when thought was absent, and emotion high).

"Idiotic" - yup, totally agree, it was completely idiotic.

And if you're fool enough to not see context, to have not watched and recognised how he was talking in more than one interview at Monaco, then by all means, you take on that mantel, too.

 

[sylus]

it has been my experience in most forums

That there are those passionately believe in what the topic they are debating..neil

and there are those who just like to debate and argue the debate terms and have no wish to be involved in the content of the debate..highlander

the internet is a funny old place

 

[tintin40]

This thread is turning in to a 'mass' debate

 

[VEGAS!]

Amusing. In a time when motor racing fans bemoan the dire lack of characters in the sport, and the constant PR 'on message' dribble that they drone out whilst adjusting branded clothing, we get one slight hint of someone saying something a little saucy and we all get our knickers in a twist.
Bring back the likes of Alan Jones who once described his own team as a 'bunch of c**ts' after a botched tyre change.

Stevo

 

[Neil]

Amusing. In a time when motor racing fans bemoan the dire lack of characters in the sport, and the constant PR 'on message' dribble that they drone out whilst adjusting branded clothing, we get one slight hint of someone saying something a little saucy and we all get our knickers in a twist.
Bring back the likes of Alan Jones who once described his own team as a 'bunch of c**ts' after a botched tyre change.

I remember Alan Jones commentating on a race with Murray Walker, where Schumacher was hounding somebody - might have been Villeneuve, and Jones made that "Kraut" comment - Murray Walker seemed to go quiet for a bit.

 

[sylus]

Amusing. In a time when motor racing fans bemoan the dire lack of characters in the sport, and the constant PR 'on message' dribble that they drone out whilst adjusting branded clothing, we get one slight hint of someone saying something a little saucy and we all get our knickers in a twist.
Bring back the likes of Alan Jones who once described his own team as a 'bunch of c**ts' after a botched tyre change.

Stevo

I don't think the passionate words are the issue Vegas at all, the words he chose and clearly he felt those words were wrong and to launch the racism card just because he faced the consequences of a poor driving day was not necessary and the shock I feel is that largely until now..most did not see lewis as black but as a mclaren driver..with only lewis introducing race to it

now if only he had being as good in the race..then the words about race would not have come out

 

[Neil G]

Can you let me know what other drivers entered the sport in such a manner, winning their second season at such a young age?

As in what other drivers were handed a seat with a top tier team in a car capable of winning on a silver platter, all orchestrated by a team manager that financed them? None that I can think of.

Even Senna had to tough it out with Toleman his first season. Shumi brought Benetton from backmarker to Constructor's Champion...........

Couldn't agree more and that's why I don't think he's really an exceptional driver like the other two.