is it a bianchi Columbus genius NTH frame? Help identify

[ibbz]

Can anyone identify this frame on eBay? Described as a bianchi NTH steel - it is equipped with XT etc as a full bike but I’ve been offered frame only
It’s been offered to me for €200 shipped from Italy

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/383732189048


It looks like an NTH Columbus genius frame such as this: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=306981&start=0



But it doesn’t say it anywhere on the frame - and the NTH logo is too small - so what other identifying factors are there? Or a lower end frame ? I’ve asked for more pictures - if the BB shell whether it had bianchi stamped on it etc.

 

[ibbz]

I’m sure it isn’t
It was bought new by the seller
And he has sent me these photos

 

[Double-E F]

Here's mine: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=405886

 

[ibbz]

Here's mine: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=405886

Yes I saw that and really like it a lot
any idea what frame the one on sale is?
Seems lower end but decent - drop outs etc aren’t low low end -

 

[Double-E F]

Could it be Sakae Litage?
The 'Power System' decal is different from that on my frame..
And if you search for that term, it returns a few links to Sakae frames. Not so low end, I'd say .

 

[ibbz]

Could it be Sakae Litage?
The 'Power System' decal is different from that on my frame..
And if you search for that term, it returns a few links to Sakae frames. Not so low end, I'd say .

I can’t seem to find any with the NTH Power System search -
The Sakae Litage i saw are aluminium.
A mystery frame !

 

[ishaw]

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Can't help with identification but the welding on the head tube looks pretty poor.

Saracen had the curved seat stay brace so perhaps a saracen repainted with some nth decals?

 

[SamOsborne]

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There are so many defining features on that frame that are correct. Dropouts, curved brace etc It seams unlikely it isn’t what the seller says it is, but the rear brake cable stop in the built up pics is hard to see and you could do with seeing the top of the seat tube pictured clearly to see if the lugs match up. Still looks to have been a lovely bicycle in the built up pics and the paint and decals look to have been on that frame for some time. Seller has a lovely collection listed and the location he’s selling them from looks a good fit. Just make sure to only buy it through eBay as I’d imagine the funds will be held until you get to check it over anyways.

 

[adri.75]

I think it is an original BIANCHI NTH, but not the Genius model, an inferior model with a cheaper steel.

 

[ibbz]

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Can't help with identification but the welding on the head tube looks pretty poor.

Saracen had the curved seat stay brace so perhaps a saracen repainted with some nth decals?

The seller said it’s an original as he bought it new and had it since new
I think it is an NTH with inferior steel - lower end than the Colombus as said here
If only someone had a catalogue