Identifying another old frame.

[roger]

Another old frame.

For what it is worth, RGF is a French manufacturer.

Raccord (joint) made by Gargette Brothers. I had seen the mark for years and have just seen the full name.

Tony Oliver in Touring Bikes has praise for one.

Roger.

 

[Derek]

Cheers for that. Local guy has 'pinged' the frame and reckoned it's all A&P. Is that better than 531 or what? Local guy reckons it's stiffer.

 

[Derek]

If it takes a 27.2 seat pillar then probably butted 20/23G seat tube.

Had a deep micrometer down the seat tube. 26.9. So 26.8 post. Is that any help?

 

[keithglos]

Probably plain 20G,( not butted) so drawn tube of some sort.

 

[David B]

Cheers for that. Local guy has 'pinged' the frame and reckoned it's all A&P. Is that better than 531 or what? Local guy reckons it's stiffer.

Horses for courses, really - both had their advocates. A&P was cromoly steel (as the Kromo trade name of course suggests) as opposed to manganese-molybdenum 531 and some A&P tubesets were apparently air-hardening well before Reynolds 631/853 used the same principles, so they had a slight technological edge over the Tyseley firm in some ways. A&P's profile wasn't helped by being swallowed up by TI who favoured the Reynolds line of products for sale to bike builders, though successors to Kromo carried on in production for general engineering use and also golf club shafts of all things!!

A&P are still in business at their Oldbury base as part of the Caparo conglomerate, of which am an ex-employee - albeit in a different division - and indeed Dad still works for them!

Edit: Of course I don't always take Wikipedia entries as cast-iron facts but it appears that Rattrays were regular builders in A&P tubing;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accles_%26_Pollock

David

 

[Derek]

Just to tidy up this thread here is the answer...

http://www.flying-scot.com/gallery_page ... cosse.html

http://www.flying-scot.com/frame_pages/frame_d1.html

Thanks for all the help.

 

[ianfoot]

woah - full circle!!

congratulations on a fully legit flying scot!!!