OkayDoakey- I've decided not to go with yet another axle/bb type and fitting tools, so I shall move the karma along- I'll add a set of bolts with the rings, anyone who wants or has bits to match them, pm me with yer address!!
Cheers to Mark for the original karma, and to the other chaps for the offers on cranks and bb and stuff- there's a cheap XTR crankset for someone who wants to go Octalink!!