Depends which 'professionals' you get. The Falkirk Callendar trails folks just built some table-tops and wee berms at the very top of the 'red' climb, just as it levels out. Only a couple of problems... 1. There is no transition, so no time to catch your breathe, and 2. The trail is barely heading downwards, so you're getting no help from gravity either. They've actually made it worse. Such a shame, they've obviously got money.velomaniac":oocgwahf said:Had a wee go of the Vat woods trails in S.Queensferry. Very small, a few good bits but doesnae flow, needs professional design.